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 Post subject: Re: [SpA] iHasFire
PostPosted: 13 Oct 2012, 05:49 
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tscuzimbrown wrote:
I had a dream that I had a vagina..what does that mean?


It could mean that you're a big fan of pie, but I can't really make an accurate judgement.


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alright, I think we've pushed this off topic enough, back to fire getting SPA!!

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Lucid dreams eh. Do you ever find the experience of your dreams is limited by your creativity? Lucid dreams seem nice, but do the ever get repetitive? Personally I like the randomness and shock associated with my dreams, and I don't think I'd want to substitute that with a semi-alert form of controlling dreams.

Please excuse me if you don't quite understand something I just wrote since I am writing this as I woke up.

Now, I have been doing this for almost a year and a half and to this day I never run out of "creativity".

Becoming Lucid means you have pretty much 90% control over the whole dream. That being said, I have learned the ability to change the area I am at, making objects appear where ever I please, fly above the clouds and then picture that what's below me will be a different place, picture a certain someone and then turn around and they'll appear behind me. ETC ETC

However the thing that I have realized over this time is that it's not always 100% control as you'd think. Yes you are very aware of what's going on and you're controlling everything but once you wake up you'll (most of the time) remember it very well but at the same time it will feel like you didn't have full control. I'm too sure how to explain this feeling but if you were to lucid dream you'd see it.

Now back to the creativity thing, my first 15 or so LD's (luciddreams) were VERY action based and me just running around and blowing stuff up or flying etc, at that point all that stuff came natural and I couldn't really control what to do because that's what I really wanted to do at first. Then after I got tired of blowing stuff up I turned to picturing amazing locations like a reallllly tall snowy mountain like Mount Everest and just flying around and just embracing the amount of detail you are able to create in a LD. Whenever I wanted to change the scenery I would just either picture a door behind me and that would take me to another place that I imagine. To imagine these places I need to have somewhat seen it in real life like through pictures or video so that I don't have to spend so much time trying to design how it will look. I just have to think of who/what I will see and what I am going to do there. After that I just open the door that I pictured behind me and walk through and boom I'm at the place I pictured.

For a long time now, I've been sticking to trying to find out about myself by asking my "dream mentor" straight up questions about who I am and how I feel. I usually get the answer in any form possible like a newspaper flying and hitting me in the head and on the newspaper is the answer. Or it being written on a wall,one of those message planes etc.. What I also have been trying to experiment with is once I become lucid I just sit down and try to just take everything in. Looking at the ground and all it's details,listening to the noises. When I do that it starts to feel so peaceful that the whole scenery that I was at before is way too loud and busy that it automatically switches to a place like a small lake surrounded by cherry blossom tree's kinda like somewhere where you'd think the Buddhist would meditate. It just feels way to un-natural to me because meditating in a LD isn't the same as it is in real life, all the feelings you get are intensified about 5 times. It's extremely hard trying to explain what I feel/see/and do because I don't always do the same thing or feel the same way or see the same things, it's all different and not something easy to explain.

So a TL:DR version, no I can't "run out" of creativity as I can do more than just the action stuff, you can explore,embrace every detail that you see etc.


Now, whenever I'm not lucid dreaming and I have "normal" dreams I can remember them all pretty well almost like a lucid dream. I really enjoy some of the story lines that I get in my dreams ( Everyone has 3-4 dreams per night) because of how much detail it has in it. Some times I just get these weird dreams where I would just be walking down a ally in New York and then just enter a random building and just sit down with 40 other people and listen to a professor talk about Physics, astronomy etc. All my dreams having meanings that very much relate to me. Because I have lucid dreamed so often my mind has been accustomed to not give me anymore random dreams where nothing is done, I now however get stuff that I can "learn" from and helps me through life.

However at the end of the day I choose lucid dreaming over normal dreams. I really enjoy me experiencing it first hand. Most of my dreams now consist of just sight seeing, meditating, and the occasional joy riding of the world's most expensive cars and motorcycles,and meeting every old historical people like Einstein,Nikola Tesla, a few Victoria's secret models :mrgreen: etc ettccccc.


Always feel free to ask me to get on IRC or if I'm there already to just listen to a few of my lucid dreams (I'll try to pick the interesting ones) since they are all amazing to listen to. Just ask 9mmNL :D


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[SpA]Ivanosauros wrote:
Lucid dreaming is limited only by your imagination - so it's not really limited at all.

If it gets repetitive just mix it up a bit. Typically, most dreams in today's society are oriented around goals - the random dreams you experience typically have you on a mission of sorts, right? And you'll hit a tangent and your goal will change. Out of the blue, on occasion, there'll be a major event which changes things.

I read a paper on this at some point for school, it was quite interesting. I don't really remember the reasons behind it though, something to do with higher stress rates and a different social construct. Anyway, the main thing with dreaming and lucid dreaming is that things like time and place are always random. You could be in 2050 rather than 2012. You could be 40 years old or 4 years old. Most of the time in any dream you can't change these things. They're absolutes. You have to accept them and work within the boundaries that spring up - that's where your room to screw around comes into play. Nothing is really certain - lucid dreaming is very vague, but there's always some barrier that you have no control over. Sometimes, that barrier becomes upset by a spontaneous change which you have no control over either - something like a tsunami or volcano eruption, a hurricane, a line of tanks coming in, etc.

End of the day, you're still dreaming and not everything is in your absolute control. It's less like you're sitting on a rollercoaster just "accepting" the ride, and more like you're driving a car or riding a bike. You can choose which route you take but you can't choose what's in the route, if that makes sense?

So no, it's not going to get repetitive at all if that's what you're worried about. The only element of repetition is you choosing the same road out of a thousand, a thousand times.

I don't quite understand what you are explaining. It's one thing to read these things and then go off and tell people about it, and then there's the actual experiencing it and then telling people about that.

By the looks of it, you're mixing up normal dreams with vivid dreams. When you are "truly" lucid dreaming you have pretty much full control. Maybe not at first because you don't know how to keep yourself from waking up from the sheer fact that you are lucid dreaming. Your "control" over the dream is determined by how much you know what to do with it. I didn't know what to do at first when I started, I just blew things up and flipped cars. It took time for me to figure out how to fly and to change the place I'm at and to get a hold of my dream mentor etc.


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tscuzimbrown wrote:
I had a dream that I had a vagina..what does that mean?

Probably means that you are a teenager.

That or you know, you can't decide whether you want to be a man or a woman. However let's just stick with answer 1. ^ :ugly:


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ihasfire wrote:
Snippety snip

Fuu fuu! How can you remember your dreams? I have no problem in altering my subconscious, yet I can't remember even one lousy dream. Not going to do diaries, eww, no...

I have done extensive research on LDing, the only problem is that I can't achieve the state. BTW, did you know that LDing actually helps regenerate & rejuvenate your brain? I bet you did! :l

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ihasfire wrote:
Snippety snip

Fuu fuu! How can you remember your dreams? I have no problem in altering my subconscious, yet I can't remember even one lousy dream. Not going to do diaries, eww, no...

I have done extensive research on LDing, the only problem is that I can't achieve the state. BTW, did you know that LDing actually helps regenerate & rejuvenate your brain? I bet you did! :l


So, the thing is you remember every dream but not for too long. Usually in the morning you'll have a thought of it but most people don't care and just put it behind them. How I learned to remember my dreams is just writing down everything I remember,what I saw,heard,felt and what the overall plot it was about. Like if I was chasing after I girl I like or if I was trying to over come a fear of mine.
There is always a symbol in your dreams that the entire dream revolves around, you just need to find it out.

Lucid dreaming isn't easy at all yet everyone is capable of it. It takes determination,patience but the end result of you being able to lucid dream. Well that's just priceless, the amount of knowledge I gained about myself is just breathtaking, and that's partly the reason I act so mature for just being 16.

So Gustav, if you want to learn more I can obviously give you the greatest advice, and I can tell you a few of my dreams.

Yes I didn't entirely know that however I could feel that in the mornings I was always refreshed and felt very at peace after a lucid dream.


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PostPosted: 13 Oct 2012, 10:40 
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ihasfire wrote:
Samiak_ wrote:
Fuu fuu! How can you remember your dreams? I have no problem in altering my subconscious, yet I can't remember even one lousy dream. Not going to do diaries, eww, no...

I have done extensive research on LDing, the only problem is that I can't achieve the state. BTW, did you know that LDing actually helps regenerate & rejuvenate your brain? I bet you did! :l


More snipping.

Yeah, but I don't remember my dreams other than the random glimpse once a month. I just don't D: I guess I'll just stick to šamanism...

Ok, enough dreams in this topic...?

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Samiak_ wrote:
ihasfire wrote:
Snippety snip

Fuu fuu! How can you remember your dreams? I have no problem in altering my subconscious, yet I can't remember even one lousy dream. Not going to do diaries, eww, no...

I have done extensive research on LDing, the only problem is that I can't achieve the state. BTW, did you know that LDing actually helps regenerate & rejuvenate your brain? I bet you did! :l


best way to maintain a hold of your dreams is to keep a dream diary next to your bed, write in it every time you wake up about what you experienced. note down any major images that stay in your head. Also, find a 'totem' (i use that word because of inception) - something like a watch, or a ribbon, or something that you'll always keep with you. if it's a watch, the watch on your hand will be different, or the time will be utterly wrong or there will be some imperfection. keep this totem with you at all times, and check for it often. If it's not there or disfigured in some way it's a very effective method of telling if you're dreaming or not. this "major image" that you write about, if its recurring, could also act as a way to know that you're dreaming.

Also, get used to deja vu lol.

once you realize you're in a dream state, the first couple of times you'll be either confused or very excited and you'll wake up. After a while though you'll get used to it and be able to stay there for longer periods of time, and you can eventually start to manipulate some of the things around you.

Quite similar to Inception actually.


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[SpA]Ivanosauros wrote:
Samiak_ wrote:
Fuu fuu! How can you remember your dreams? I have no problem in altering my subconscious, yet I can't remember even one lousy dream. Not going to do diaries, eww, no...

I have done extensive research on LDing, the only problem is that I can't achieve the state. BTW, did you know that LDing actually helps regenerate & rejuvenate your brain? I bet you did! :l


best way to maintain a hold of your dreams is to keep a dream diary next to your bed, write in it every time you wake up about what you experienced. note down any major images that stay in your head. Also, find a 'totem' (i use that because of inception) - something like a watch, or a ribbon, or something that you'll always keep with you. if it's a watch, the watch on your hand will be different, or the time will be utterly wrong or there will be some imperfection. keep this totem with you at all times, and check for it often. If it's not there or disfigured in some way it's a very effective method of telling if you're dreaming or not. this "major image" that you write about, if its recurring, could also act as a way to know that you're dreaming.

Also, get used to deja vu lol.

once you realize you're in a dream state, the first couple of times you'll be either confused or very excited and you'll wake up. After a while though you'll get used to it and be able to stay there for longer periods of time, and you can eventually start to manipulate some of the things around you.

Quite similar to Inception actually.

As I said, I've done research on the subject. I've got everything but the recalling. And as I also said, ”Not going to do diaries, eww, no...” D: Writing up a dream once a month isn't worth it. I'm just a loghead...

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nope, just set your alarm a little earlier now and then

youll be forced out of a dream, and be able to note it down before you emerge from sleepy-head mode.


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[SpA]Ivanosauros wrote:
nope, just set your alarm a little earlier now and then

youll be forced out of a dream, and be able to note it down before you emerge from sleepy-head mode.

Tried, not working ^_^ I should get specialised equipment to detect my REM stages...

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oh lawd samiak, you stonehead

also, fire, i've had the experience plenty of times. I used to do it a lot, the paper i was referring to was talking about the psychology behind dreams and how social influences change the way that -regular- dreams are oriented.

When you're having a lucid dream, fire, do you start with a blank canvas that you draw everything up in? No. It's set, there's some framework for you to screw around with. At the same time, there are limits. there are things you can't do. Massive changes to the scenery and context of your dream will either confuse the fuck out of you, not work as intended and cause you to lose control. You no longer maintain the ability to willfully control events, and your subconscious takes over giving you an unhealthy dose of exceedingly graphic images which can give you a very brief, very terrifying nightmare.

Within lucid dreaming, you have a control over everything, right? No. You don't. You don't consciously create every cloud in the sky, the window of every building, every blade of grass in a field. Your subconscious does this for you, and plays an ENORMOUS role in the continuity of your dream. When you start to put things into place that you cant alter easily, or even touch upon things that go past the limit of your control you do one of two things. You wake up, or your dream stops being controlled regardless of how aware you are. How do you expand these limits? Practice.

Lucid dreaming is the process of being aware of a dream, not having utter control of it. You can be stuck there like Robot Chicken, glued to your chair and sitting in the ride with no end in sight. When your ego, your consciousness loses control your inner self can and will decide to air either your repressed anxieties, your inner fears or altered replays of significant (traumatic or otherwise) events. Or it might decide to simply give you something absolutely irrelevant. You are still hyper-aware of your surroundings. This happens increasingly frequently the more you engage in lucid dreaming and the more you test your boundaries. You don't make the decision to relinquish control - it simply disappears and the dream often drifts off a rather large tangent.

And there is definitely a difference between vivid and lucid dreams. Vivid dreams are those that you remember very clearly after waking, whereas lucid dreams are those where you know that you are currently in a dream.

Your control of your dream has limits, it's not as empty and wide as you think it is. Your subconscious plays an enormous role which, while awake, you are completely unaware of. It's the whole reason you can talk to people in a dream, and it's the whole reason anything happens. This force has a resounding impact on where your boundaries are and what you're able to do. Flipping cars, flying, having what Pagans, native americans and Wicca practitioners (not sure about wicca actually) might refer to as spirit guides (which are also an inner creation of your subconscious) are very limited things in terms of boundaries.

next time you find yourself in a lucid dream, try changing the things that you wouldn't change. The identities of random people you encounter in the street, everything and anything about the place you're in. Your personal identity. Try throwing in a natural disaster, like a tsunami or volcanic eruption. Throw in a nuclear explosion. then change it all, and fast. Test your limits and see how long it takes for you to lose control - and you'll wake straight up, the first few times. it'll be a tonne of fun, but after a while if you really push that boundary you'll simply stop having control and it'll turn into what you might think of as a "regular" dream, except you'll be in that state of awareness and everything will be more memorable, more intense, more vivid. A little like a modified drug trip, really.

Bottom line, the realm of dreams is still very much unexplored and by its very nature is both diverse and confusing.

And I do know what I'm talking about, please don't be condescending. I don't appreciate it.


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[SpA]Ivanosauros wrote:
insert lucid stuff here.


(Adding my thoughts to what you said later on, because now I just can't since I have a slight headache. I will however respond tonight.)

I would just like to say sorry.
I had no clue you actually lucid dreamed, I just thought you were another person that just read up on lucid dreaming a few times and then just start to spew stuff out. It just never occurred to me that you knew what you were talking about, mostly since majority of the people I've meet don't lucid dream.


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I'm a Man!!! and WILL always be one!!

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tscuzimbrown wrote:
I'm a Man!!! and WILL always be one!!

How can you be sure? What if a lunatic professor kidnaps you and performs sick experiments and surgeries on you?

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Samiak_ wrote:
tscuzimbrown wrote:
I'm a Man!!! and WILL always be one!!

How can you be sure? What if a lunatic professor kidnaps you and performs sick experiments and surgeries on you?

Well then he will be living his dreams.


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Samiak_ wrote:
How can you be sure? What if a lunatic professor kidnaps you and performs sick experiments and surgeries on you?

Well then he will be living his dreams.

I will be living in his dreams :twisted:

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obvious robot chicken reference

im disappointed. two people in a row missed it.


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[SpA]Ivanosauros wrote:
obvious robot chicken reference

im disappointed. two people in a row missed it.

Never had a chance to watch that show when I was young.


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Ivan, does cannabis affect your lucid dreams?

If so, I'd really like to hear about it.


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ihasfire wrote:
Ivan, does cannabis affect your lucid dreams?

If so, I'd really like to hear about it.

Your next question must be "can you get me some?" :demm:

All psychoactive drugs have an effect on the brain. I tend to remember my dreams better when I drink some alcohol before going to bed (all-in-all helps me sleep better), a pan of coffee gives me more vivid dreams, "overload" of nicotine makes me dream of pillows and clouds...
      I do not use marijuana nor any other illegal and dangerous substances other than alcohol. Also I must advice you to keep drug discussions out of this forum, even though it isn't my call...

I bet Dream Views has something on the subject, though.

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Samiak_ wrote:
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Ivan, does cannabis affect your lucid dreams?

If so, I'd really like to hear about it.

Your next question must be "can you get me some?" :demm:

All psychoactive drugs have an effect on the brain. I tend to remember my dreams better when I drink some alcohol before going to bed (all-in-all helps me sleep better), a pan of coffee gives me more vivid dreams, "overload" of nicotine makes me dream of pillows and clouds...
      I do not use marijuana nor any other illegal and dangerous substances other than alcohol. Also I must advice you to keep drug discussions out of this forum, even though it isn't my call...

I bet Dream Views has something on the subject, though.

Meh, I was just genuinely interested in hearing his experiences.

It's not like were talking about PCP, or a thumbprint of some crystal LSD that costs about 5,000-6,000 euros a gram.

To be honest, I find cigarettes worse than Marijuana.


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ihasfire wrote:
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Your next question must be "can you get me some?" :demm:

All psychoactive drugs have an effect on the brain. I tend to remember my dreams better when I drink some alcohol before going to bed (all-in-all helps me sleep better), a pan of coffee gives me more vivid dreams, "overload" of nicotine makes me dream of pillows and clouds...
      I do not use marijuana nor any other illegal and dangerous substances other than alcohol. Also I must advice you to keep drug discussions out of this forum, even though it isn't my call...

I bet Dream Views has something on the subject, though.

Meh, I was just genuinely interested in hearing his experiences.

It's not like were talking about PCP, or a thumbprint of some crystal LSD that costs about 5,000-6,000 euros a gram.

To be honest, I find cigarettes worse than Marijuana.

Cigarettes are nothing compared to marijuana. Using mari, in a few minutes your brain functions will reduce to zero just like with alcohol, except that with the latter it takes hours instead of minutes. Some people are trying to get maripuffing legal while driving. Deathwish.

I've tried some psychedelics before, they're harmless.

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I just hinting more towards just recreational use, you know not like every 40 mins like you do with cigarettes.

You can't physically get addicted to Cannabis.




I wasn't exactly mentioning that LSD is harmful. (might not of been too clear about that) However it is one hell of a trip.

Now how was that experience Gustav?


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Take 10 spoons of nutmeg and wait 5 hours. Than all hell is lose!!!

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ihasfire wrote:
I just hinting more towards just recreational use, you know not like every 40 mins like you do with cigarettes.

You can't physically get addicted to Cannabis.

I wasn't exactly mentioning that LSD is harmful. (might not of been too clear about that) However it is one hell of a trip.

Now how was that experience Gustav?

As much as I'd like to describe thoroughly my experience with shit, this isn't the right place nor the right time.
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I've had a few killer experiences in terms of dreaming after smoking a bowl, but honestly im not sure if I was actually asleep or if it was just my imagination.

The way it happens to me, i feel as though my subconscious is trying to force things on me and trick me into believing them. Often when I get high there's all kinds of childhood memories and shit surfacing which actually turn oout to be crap made up on the spot. It also gives you the ability to focus even more while asleep - I can see the individual goosebumps on people and focus on them in a crowded street while high and asleep

i dont know if that's just how i remember it, because frankly i dont trust my memory 100% when it comes to what i was thinking when in the clouds.

edit: It's also worth mentioning that I've never had a negative experience or nightmare of any kind while high, the most powerful being thought-provoking or simply confronting. I've never felt fear or dread while dreaming and high. Then again, i don't trust myself when it comes to memory.

When I get drunk and high at the same time - I have zero recollection of events nearly 90% of the time. during that 10% of the time I still struggle to remember what I drank in the first place so once again i don't really have high expectations of remembering my thoughts.

I can tell you loads about various trips I've had without sleeping/meditating though - lots of good times :)


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 Post subject: Re: [SpA] iHasFire
PostPosted: 25 Nov 2012, 19:14 
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Ivan. Aren't you like 10, stop smoking and drinking wait until you're 18!!

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 Post subject: Re: [SpA] iHasFire
PostPosted: 27 Nov 2012, 00:35 
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tscuzimbrown wrote:
Ivan. Aren't you like 10

[SpA]Ivanosauros wrote:
I'm well under SpA's age limit (sitting at a mighty fifteen years of age)

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