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Author:  Bartg [ 16 Aug 2009, 19:53 ]
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Thats why you cant allow engis at 2fort - every player who gets killed more than 2 times in a row will go engi :?
Author:  Spacey [ 16 Aug 2009, 22:47 ]
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All it needs is a medic & pyro or heavy or maybe demo... and all the sentries are gone. Of course you need an über and some kind of at least a bit teamplay orientated minds behind these classes... but that's mostly a public play issue ;)
Author:  Lim-Dul [ 16 Aug 2009, 22:56 ]
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Spacey wrote:
All it needs is a medic & pyro or heavy or maybe demo... and all the sentries are gone. Of course you need an über and some kind of at least a bit teamplay orientated minds behind these classes... but that's mostly a public play issue ;)
Yeah, exactly - of course ANY obstacle may be overcome given proper teamplay BUT that is not a valid argument for our public servers - you can't change the way people play pub fights and so the only thing we can do is make the gameplay more fun and dynamic if there isn't proper teamplay taking place.

Basically the fact that good teamplay is required to overcome sentry encampments (yes, you can sticky them, but the demoman needs to be protected - otherwise he will be killed by other players) while setting them up doesn't require almost any teamplay effort at all makes e.g. Crovax' crusade to re-instate engineers on CTF maps quite pointless. His arguments are good (albeit repetitive ;-) but irrelevant for public matches.

Also, remember that SpA members always have an advantage over random pubies since we're using Mumble or in-game voice and that adds to the gameplay imbalance when we're always able to e.g. destroy sentries with good teamplay while the other team gets utterly destroyed by ours - even one or two SpA members more or less on one team can ruin the gameplay for everybody (except them ;-) and it's not because they are necessarily more skilled individually. This leads to all the recent rants about team balancing by e.g. Bucky etc. I think the way we started handling this problem is the way to go.
Author:  Spacey [ 16 Aug 2009, 23:11 ]
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Using Medic Ãœber on an pyro or heavy isn't thaaaaat biiiiig teamplay - it's more or less a basic, eh?! :)

And yes - maybe it's a bit harder to destroy the sentries - but building them a a more dangerous place (for the enemy) means more danger for the engineer as well as in some more unuseful and safer places... so in teh end imho it's all equal - but sometimes one side is better - some times the other. Sometimes you win - and sometimes not :P
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 17 Aug 2009, 00:37 ]
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Engineers just mean that neither team wins, which is just boring. It's not as simple us just sauntering in there, ubering and taking down 2-3 teammates. A lot of the time you will have to use the uber just to get through all of the enemy team since the sentries are right on the back line. It's really a lot harder than "Uber -> Sentries down -> Enemy team dissapear -> WINNAH!"
Author:  Crovax20 [ 17 Aug 2009, 10:17 ]
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I state again the engineer is not the problem. Its the spawn locations.

The only reason people blame the stalemate on the engineer is because, the engineer actually stays and defends an area. While everyone else usually just runs around. Thus without an engineer you might have a window of time where you can slip through the defense. Not that it matters because on 2fort any semi-competent team will just kill you on the way out of the intel area.
Author:  [SpA]Spikespiegel [ 17 Aug 2009, 10:24 ]
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I am so disappointed with the new maps :(

Koth is no fun when played with more than 6 players on either team and ctf_sawmill is THE worst ctf map in the game.
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 17 Aug 2009, 10:28 ]
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cp_yukon is pretty cool
Author:  ProtectMyBalls [ 17 Aug 2009, 11:29 ]
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[SpA]Minimoose! wrote:
cp_yukon is pretty cool
yeah after i got used to it, it is pretty cool, nice environment artwork, last CP is a really bastard thou !!!

ctf_sawmill i think is still confusing people and thus they dont know what to do. But i got into the flag room, destroyed 3 sgs and the engys by myself, grabbed the intel but then was shot by a few rounds from a heavy.... :(
Author:  Crovax20 [ 17 Aug 2009, 13:12 ]
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[SpA]ProtectMyBalls wrote:
[SpA]Minimoose! wrote:
cp_yukon is pretty cool
yeah after i got used to it, it is pretty cool, nice environment artwork, last CP is a really bastard thou !!!

ctf_sawmill i think is still confusing people and thus they dont know what to do. But i got into the flag room, destroyed 3 sgs and the engys by myself, grabbed the intel but then was shot by a few rounds from a heavy.... :(
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Author:  Bartg [ 17 Aug 2009, 13:37 ]
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Latest discovery: Scottsman's Stove Pipe ( level 74 ) :mrgreen:
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Author:  [SpA]MrOrange [ 17 Aug 2009, 14:16 ]
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Now THAT's a hat I'd love to have!
Author:  dckjns [ 17 Aug 2009, 14:36 ]
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Author:  Hiphat [ 17 Aug 2009, 19:06 ]
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I agree with everything
Author:  Murk [ 17 Aug 2009, 19:16 ]
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Bartg wrote:
Latest discovery: Scottsman's Stove Pipe ( level 74 ) :mrgreen:
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I hate you.
Author:  Bartg [ 18 Aug 2009, 13:35 ]
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Latest discovery - Engineer's Cap ( level 56 ), thats my second engineers hat :? :evil: I hope I will get chance to trade them for something more awesome :ugly:
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Author:  [SpA]Mr.green [ 18 Aug 2009, 13:51 ]
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Bartg wrote:
Latest discovery - Engineer's Cap ( level 56 ), thats my second engineers hat :? :evil: I hope I will get chance to trade them for something more awesome :ugly:
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omg totally unfair some persons have 0 hats and you have 2 of the new ones....and i only got an old hat
Author:  ProtectMyBalls [ 18 Aug 2009, 13:53 ]
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im sure bart is farming :ugly:
Author:  [SpA]Mr.green [ 18 Aug 2009, 13:58 ]
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[SpA]ProtectMyBalls wrote:
im sure bart is farming :ugly:
i do that to.... :|
Author:  [SpA]SonnyBlack [ 18 Aug 2009, 14:05 ]
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2 hats in 2 days? HAXX
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 18 Aug 2009, 14:48 ]
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Mr.green wrote:
Bartg wrote:
Latest discovery - Engineer's Cap ( level 56 ), thats my second engineers hat :? :evil: I hope I will get chance to trade them for something more awesome :ugly:
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omg totally unfair some persons have 0 hats and you have 2 of the new ones....and i only got an old hat
You only got an old hat, pretty sure a lot of people would be grateful to get any hat
Author:  Bartg [ 18 Aug 2009, 14:50 ]
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[SpA]Sonny Black wrote:
2 hats in 2 days? HAXX
Yes that worries me a lot, since I got 2 old hats in space of like 10 days, and then nothing for 2 months :ugly:
Author:  [SpA]Mr.green [ 18 Aug 2009, 14:51 ]
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[SpA]Minimoose! wrote:
Mr.green wrote:
omg totally unfair some persons have 0 hats and you have 2 of the new ones....and i only got an old hat
You only got an old hat, pretty sure a lot of people would be grateful to get any hat
but i got a zilllion other items
Bartg wrote:
[SpA]Sonny Black wrote:
2 hats in 2 days? HAXX
Yes that worries me a lot, since I got 2 old hats in space of like 10 days, and then nothing for 2 months :ugly:
so you got 4 HATS?!
Author:  Bartg [ 18 Aug 2009, 14:55 ]
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More or less :P
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 18 Aug 2009, 16:57 ]
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Mr.green wrote:
[SpA]Minimoose! wrote:

You only got an old hat, pretty sure a lot of people would be grateful to get any hat
but i got a zilllion other items
Bartg wrote:
Yes that worries me a lot, since I got 2 old hats in space of like 10 days, and then nothing for 2 months :ugly:
so you got 4 HATS?!
Yeah, I've been idling for some ridiculous amount of time, been idling for pretty much the whole time I haven't been playing TF2 and I still haven't got a hat. Every single night for about a month now as well.
Author:  Bartg [ 18 Aug 2009, 17:04 ]
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Maybe you are idling to much, and steam servers think you are either a bot or have absolutely no life :mrgreen:
Author:  DrMcMoist [ 18 Aug 2009, 17:13 ]
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I've never got a hat either.
Author:  [SpA]Mr.green [ 18 Aug 2009, 19:16 ]
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I will have to dissapoint you guys......i got the Otolaryngologist's mirror
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Author:  [SpA]Repel [ 18 Aug 2009, 19:22 ]
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Meh, that's one of the worst hats imo. :| I'll be quite jealous if someone gets one of the new pyro or soldier hats though.
Author:  Murk [ 18 Aug 2009, 19:42 ]
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Mr.green wrote:
I will have to dissapoint you guys......i got the Otolaryngologist's mirror
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