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 Post subject: Re: Life and videogames
PostPosted: 12 Apr 2011, 01:57 
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[SpA]Howard wrote:
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Honestly depends on what version you watched Howard, the 2nd cut had the scene with the original nightowl getting beaten and killed which i don't think was in the theatrical release, i still haven't built up the will to watch the directors super directors cut yet, which is like 5 hours or something.

I loved the animation they made for Curse of the Black Freighter and the documentary underneath the hood.

As for the film, it had its flaw and its good points; but would never hold a candle to the book. I think it had some decent casting; mostly. The intro pissed me off, summed up a good chunk of the book in a 6min montage. Also; I thought changing the ending was sort of the right thing to do, a massive CGI giant squid thing would have looked a bit weird and out of place; so i wasn't to bothered about that. The lynx looked pretty crap. Generally Snyder is pretty good at his grading and editing, i like his style, and i actually want to see his take on superman. He's not a great writer as Suckerpunch proved, though he has good ideas - like the added bits in 300 etc. Rorschach's mask was great and most of his scenes were pretty good. I need to re watch it though, the directors directors directors extended cut, too refresh my mind. Big problem he has is his use of music, he seems to rely on his tracks too often, fair enough stuff like bob dylan was used in the books so thats fine, but some scenes it just sounded silly and didnt matc the visuals.

There is actually a long ass animation of watchmen, with audio somewhere on the net, taken straight from the book :)

and i met Dave Gibbons on sunday! WIN!
I've seen the full super long version - they still don't add Rorschach's speech back so it still sucks. As to the animation version: great idea but it too sucked. They took the cells from the book and animated them slightly (gave them parallax essentially) but then they had one guy narrate the entire thing and do all the voices - it sounded like a sinister Jackanory gone wrong.

As to changing the ending: Sure getting rid of the silly giant squid was good, but the alternative they chose was just stupid and Hollywood.

Bah to all of it I say...
To be fair though, it would have never translated that well into film. The best part of the book was the 5-6 pages between each chapter which was just subtext and back story; that's what made it for me, and you can't get that into a commercial film without making it even longer! I can see why Moore wanted his name off it, poor guy doesn't have much luck with his work being made into film adaptations. LEOG sucked! and V for Vendetta was pretty good, but still could have been alot more.

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 Post subject: Re: Life and videogames
PostPosted: 12 Apr 2011, 02:19 
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[SpA]ProtectMyBalls wrote:
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I've seen the full super long version - they still don't add Rorschach's speech back so it still sucks. As to the animation version: great idea but it too sucked. They took the cells from the book and animated them slightly (gave them parallax essentially) but then they had one guy narrate the entire thing and do all the voices - it sounded like a sinister Jackanory gone wrong.

As to changing the ending: Sure getting rid of the silly giant squid was good, but the alternative they chose was just stupid and Hollywood.

Bah to all of it I say...
To be fair though, it would have never translated that well into film. The best part of the book was the 5-6 pages between each chapter which was just subtext and back story; that's what made it for me, and you can't get that into a commercial film without making it even longer! I can see why Moore wanted his name off it, poor guy doesn't have much luck with his work being made into film adaptations. LEOG sucked! and V for Vendetta was pretty good, but still could have been alot more.
But at least you met Dave Gibbons on sunday! WIN! :5:

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 Post subject: Re: Life and videogames
PostPosted: 12 Apr 2011, 08:44 
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[SpA]ProtectMyBalls wrote:
[SpA]Howard wrote:

I've seen the full super long version - they still don't add Rorschach's speech back so it still sucks. As to the animation version: great idea but it too sucked. They took the cells from the book and animated them slightly (gave them parallax essentially) but then they had one guy narrate the entire thing and do all the voices - it sounded like a sinister Jackanory gone wrong.

As to changing the ending: Sure getting rid of the silly giant squid was good, but the alternative they chose was just stupid and Hollywood.

Bah to all of it I say...
To be fair though, it would have never translated that well into film. The best part of the book was the 5-6 pages between each chapter which was just subtext and back story; that's what made it for me, and you can't get that into a commercial film without making it even longer! I can see why Moore wanted his name off it, poor guy doesn't have much luck with his work being made into film adaptations. LEOG sucked! and V for Vendetta was pretty good, but still could have been alot more.

Nah, gotta disagree. Rorschach's speech to the doctor would have been supremely easy to put into the film. All they had to do is extend the scene with Rorschach at the child-murderer's house for about 2 minutes and have the voice-over play as he killed the dogs and so on. Completely simple and yet manages to put in the single most important part of the book.

This is the thing: anyone who can make a film of Watchmen and not realise that that speech is in fact the crux of the book really does not understand Watchmen. That one missing scene undermined all the hard work of the rest of the film. Its also not like it just got dropped to the cutting room floor. The final cut is insanely long so it would have added very little length wise to the film. The simple fact is that the director and screenplay writers thought it wasn't important and for that one decision they lose any respect I could have had for them.

Also V for Vendetta wasn't bad?! You have read the book, right? You do know that they changed just about everything and utterly stripped all meaning from it? :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Life and videogames
PostPosted: 12 Apr 2011, 09:49 
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[SpA]Howard wrote:
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To be fair though, it would have never translated that well into film. The best part of the book was the 5-6 pages between each chapter which was just subtext and back story; that's what made it for me, and you can't get that into a commercial film without making it even longer! I can see why Moore wanted his name off it, poor guy doesn't have much luck with his work being made into film adaptations. LEOG sucked! and V for Vendetta was pretty good, but still could have been alot more.

Nah, gotta disagree. Rorschach's speech to the doctor would have been supremely easy to put into the film. All they had to do is extend the scene with Rorschach at the child-murderer's house for about 2 minutes and have the voice-over play as he killed the dogs and so on. Completely simple and yet manages to put in the single most important part of the book.

This is the thing: anyone who can make a film of Watchmen and not realise that that speech is in fact the crux of the book really does not understand Watchmen. That one missing scene undermined all the hard work of the rest of the film. Its also not like it just got dropped to the cutting room floor. The final cut is insanely long so it would have added very little length wise to the film. The simple fact is that the director and screenplay writers thought it wasn't important and for that one decision they lose any respect I could have had for them.

When i said "To be fair though, it would have never translated that well into film." i meant the film in general, not that particular section ;) which was a shame they didn't include it, blame WB tbh ^^
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The simple fact is that the director and screenplay writers thought it wasn't important and for that one decision they lose any respect I could have had for them.
Yeah, its Zack Synder, he is like the Bay of superhero films ^^
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Also V for Vendetta wasn't bad?! You have read the book, right? You do know that they changed just about everything and utterly stripped all meaning from it? :shock:
Of course I have, and i totally agree (another reason Alan Moore kept his name off of it) but i really did enjoy Hugo Weaving's performance in it (getting emotion through a static mask is not an easy task) and some of the scenes were really pretty; which is why i don't hate the film, same with watchmen really, sure they both don't even compare to the source text at all, but there are elements i did enjoy, i was disappointed with watchmen not sticking to the original novel, all they had to do was stick to the text word for word , and they would have had one of the greatest film adaptations of all time; but sadly they didn't. Don't even get me started on how much they fucked up League of Extraordinary Gentleman lol, no wonder Moore hates hollywood. Can't believe Connery picked that as his last film over LOTR (i think that's what i read some where).

I'm terrified about what Snyder is going to do to The Dark Knight Returns :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Life and videogames
PostPosted: 12 Apr 2011, 10:09 
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So...I should drive from LA to NYC 3 times whilst reading the entire Harry Pottor series and learning to speak Italian with a fire hazard raging in my BBQ INSTEAD of playing Minecraft? Well hot-damn, this guy just has everything worked out.


But on a serious note I do applaud this video in some sense. Not the sense that he is blaming video games because they are the devil incarnate and should be blamed for every single one of man's faults, but because obsesive gamers who DO have these problems and don't have the means to fix it themselves might get meaning out of this. They might get the motivation to start changing their life. Not by burning their game collection, mind you, but by maybe going for a walk outside, and not just to level up their agility.
It has some worth, just not to the large population of 'gamers' who have a career, a relationship or a 'life', whatever THAT is according to this guy.

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 Post subject: Re: Life and videogames
PostPosted: 12 Apr 2011, 10:14 
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he was playing WoW, he brought it on himself. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Plus as we learnt from the funny pictures thread, that kid used his WoW gamer knowledge to save his sister from a moose... GET IN!

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 Post subject: Re: Life and videogames
PostPosted: 12 Apr 2011, 10:44 
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Ollieboy wrote:
So...I should drive from LA to NYC 3 times whilst reading the entire Harry Pottor series and learning to speak Italian with a fire hazard raging in my BBQ INSTEAD of playing Minecraft? Well hot-damn, this guy just has everything worked out.

Yeah, I really don't even understand his stats. He was talking about getting to level 60, right? That takes a few days. There is simply no way he can read War & Peace faster than I could level a toon. No way.

Ollieboy wrote:
But on a serious note I do applaud this video in some sense. Not the sense that he is blaming video games because they are the devil incarnate and should be blamed for every single one of man's faults, but because obsesive gamers who DO have these problems and don't have the means to fix it themselves might get meaning out of this. They might get the motivation to start changing their life. Not by burning their game collection, mind you, but by maybe going for a walk outside, and not just to level up their agility.
It has some worth, just not to the large population of 'gamers' who have a career, a relationship or a 'life', whatever THAT is according to this guy.

The issue I have is that gamers that do have this problem of "being addicted" (arf) to games are just fucking idiots. They ain't crack cocaine, you know. Just fuck off outside, lose the emo haircut (and likely 90 lbs) and have a conversation with someone you fucking coward (not even slightly direct at you Ollie - Just in case people have their tinfoil hats on today!)
This worlds obsession with addiction is just tiresome in the end and I really don't think that some whiny little bitch who was so sad he couldn't just uninstall WoW and open the curtains is ever gonna change anyone's opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Life and videogames
PostPosted: 12 Apr 2011, 10:52 
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*slyly removes tinfoil hat*

*the cries*


I tried some of that Charlie Sheen drug the other day... I almost died... :shock:

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