SpecialAttack.net :: Auto-Team balance idea?

On some servers they use a sort of "buddy" system. Where you can pick one person to be your "buddy" which basically makes it so that you can't be autobalanced seperately. I personally think this is a good idea as it gives a way to be with a friend you enjoy playing with, while not completely stacking a team.

This is slightly offtopic, but I'd also like it if people weren't able to join spectator during games, or at least if they did, the server only allowed them to join the team they were originally on. There's been too many people on a losing team joining spec in order to get someone from the winning team autobalanced, and then joining it.

On that note, would there be a way to make it so that the autobalancer autobalances the person who's been there for the least amount of time? I could be wrong but I think that atm it works that the person with the most deaths on the team gets balanced. It seems more logical to me that the person who's been there less time, and therefore hasn't contributed as much to the win/loss as other people, gets autobalanced instead. It's rather annoying getting autobalanced from the winning to the losing team in the last 2 minutes when it's too late, or even worse WHILE the last point is being capped.

Wow, that was a long post, my thoughts anyway. <3

Just do /shrug and go try funny stuff. Eventually enough people will get bored and the server will become one big massive melee slugfest!

I can recommend a holiday to Cuba to anyone, really changes your perspective!

Is there any way to speed up in-game balancer ? It usually takes about 5 minutes for game to realize teams are unbalanced and another 5 to actually balance anybody

And I bet 2 cookeys would beat 1 minimoose 99% of the time.

No, he's right.
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You're just playing worse and worse.

If you play for 30m and all you do is get 8 points from killing 8 people while not dying at all your rank will go up.

If u play ok, maybe with a negative k:d ratio, but against the top50, ur rank will rise. So joining the team with the best players isnt always the best decision.

I think we can all agree, that ranked "skill" systems ... in the scientific term: "Sucks balls"
And champagne-soda is the best soda created by human beings!

I'd rather have "skill" per class instead of an overall skill allocation.
Would be much more interesting.

i got 100 kills and 20 deaths today on goldrush and my skill decreased

Reasons why BartG can't go up in skill:

A) He plays spy
B) He plays spy
C) He plays spy
D) He concentrates more of whining about stats than actually playing
E) He plays spy
F) He hardly plays medic
G) He isn't as sexy as me

Author:	InvisibleFish [ 17 Jul 2009, 11:53 ]
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The last time I melee'd on an SpA server, Greasy banned me. Don't try it Crovax

Author:	Crovax20 [ 17 Jul 2009, 12:18 ]
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Really? what an ass! people take this game to seriously.

Author:	[SpA]Mr.green [ 17 Jul 2009, 15:59 ]
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InvisibleFish wrote: On some servers they use a sort of "buddy" system. Where you can pick one person to be your "buddy" which basically makes it so that you can't be autobalanced seperately. I personally think this is a good idea as it gives a way to be with a friend you enjoy playing with, while not completely stacking a team. This is slightly offtopic, but I'd also like it if people weren't able to join spectator during games, or at least if they did, the server only allowed them to join the team they were originally on. There's been too many people on a losing team joining spec in order to get someone from the winning team autobalanced, and then joining it. On that note, would there be a way to make it so that the autobalancer autobalances the person who's been there for the least amount of time? I could be wrong but I think that atm it works that the person with the most deaths on the team gets balanced. It seems more logical to me that the person who's been there less time, and therefore hasn't contributed as much to the win/loss as other people, gets autobalanced instead. It's rather annoying getting autobalanced from the winning to the losing team in the last 2 minutes when it's too late, or even worse WHILE the last point is being capped. Wow, that was a long post, my thoughts anyway. <3 Sounds good but there is a problem...so we say player X joins team blue and just a few sec later some red leaves and X gets balanced to red and then some blues leave.....poor guy.....(this has happened to me first i got auto from red to blue and a minute later auto back to red :S)

Author:	Bartg [ 17 Jul 2009, 18:30 ]
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Is there any way to speed up in-game balancer ? It usually takes about 5 minutes for game to realize teams are unbalanced and another 5 to actually balance anybody

Author:	DrMcMoist [ 17 Jul 2009, 18:38 ]
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[SpA]Crovax20 wrote: Just do /shrug and go try funny stuff. Eventually enough people will get bored and the server will become one big massive melee slugfest! I can recommend a holiday to Cuba to anyone, really changes your perspective! If you want a real change of perspective go to Sierra Leone. Bartg wrote: Is there any way to speed up in-game balancer ? It usually takes about 5 minutes for game to realize teams are unbalanced and another 5 to actually balance anybody How's about a balancer that does it constantly? Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Red Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Blue Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Red Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Blue Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Red Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Blue Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Red Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Blue Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Red Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Blue Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Red Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Blue Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Red Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Blue Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Red Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Blue Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Red Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Blue Team. Bart has been auto balanced. Bart joined Red Team. Bart left the game.

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Author:	[SpA]Relentless [ 17 Jul 2009, 19:18 ]
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Quote: And I bet 2 cookeys would beat 1 minimoose 99% of the time. 1 cookye would beat over 9000 [insert random player name] 99% of the time :<

Author:	CatR [ 21 Jul 2009, 15:53 ]
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Adjusts his monocle A balance system based on the skill level produced by Psychostats would be, sadly, unbalanced. DUE TO THE FACT that some people dont play enough or simply "fuck around" Graph included: As you see, the SUPER SKILLED NON-REGULAR is CLEARLY better per-play session. However due to this player not playing as MUCH as the REGULAR player, his or her (if there were girls on the internet) skill level will be LOWER than the medium-skilled player. This means that someone who is by all means a NINJA ingame, might be rated as a low-ranked player and therefore unbalancing the game. No matter HOW one rates someone, the rank will never be accurate. The only thing a rating system really does is show how long someone plays or have played. Sips wine Elementary, really...

Author:	Bartg [ 21 Jul 2009, 16:16 ]
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Youre clearly wrong about psychostats, Im playing regularly, and my skill graph looks something like this: Thats why I think psychostats are shite, cause the better I play the more my skill falls down, and basically Im stuck at about 14.500-14.800 skill since December 1942.

Author:	sebas [ 21 Jul 2009, 16:40 ]
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No, he's right. You're just playing worse and worse.

Author:	[SpA]Neoflo [ 21 Jul 2009, 16:49 ]
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Nope bartg is right, psychostats are just shitty, don't trust it... or fail.

Author:	sebas [ 21 Jul 2009, 16:57 ]
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We all know pstats are shitty and useless. Now we're just arguing why.

Author:	Bartg [ 21 Jul 2009, 17:02 ]
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[SpA]sebas wrote: No, he's right. Image You're just playing worse and worse. That proves my point - we have identical k/d ratio, nearly same playing time, our most used classes are demoman and soldier, we kill more or less same people, and yet you have 8000 more skill points This is hopeless, unless medic assists counts for 10000000 points/each, since you have a lot more.

Author:	sebas [ 21 Jul 2009, 17:06 ]
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Yeah it's most likely from medicing. You get a crapload of assists and bonus points. Though I rarely play medic nowdays. What I've noticed and is even crappier about the system is that it encourages camping. Try it out. For a whole map do nothing but try to not get killed. If you play for 30m and all you do is get 8 points from killing 8 people while not dying at all your rank will go up.

Author:	[SpA]SonnyBlack [ 21 Jul 2009, 17:13 ]
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You can be the uber1337pro with a k:d ratio of 10, but if u play against noobs with low ranks or playrers completely new to the server ur rank will still drop, u just need to get killed by them, doesnt matter how often u kill them. If u play ok, maybe with a negative k:d ratio, but against the top50, ur rank will rise. So joining the team with the best players isnt always the best decision.

Author:	[SpA]Scatterbrain [ 22 Jul 2009, 00:27 ]
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Bartg wrote: 11 assists. you're doing it very badly wrong then? one sentry nest takedown = 4 or 5 assists, never mind your 3 kritz's or anything else. how many times did you die in those 15 minutes?

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Author:	[SpA]Blackhawk [ 21 Jul 2009, 17:17 ]
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[SpA]sebas wrote: If you play for 30m and all you do is get 8 points from killing 8 people while not dying at all your rank will go up. You'll get all the team based bonus points and won't loose any for getting shot.

Author:	Crovax20 [ 21 Jul 2009, 18:24 ]
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Psychostats is usefull for spa point tracking business. Other than that is just tells you who has the best combination of the following: A: Awesome PC B: Spare time C: Awesome mouse aiming skills D: Willingness to preserve oneself E: Willingness to play a class that is good at racking up kills or points F: Internet connection that doesn't suck balls G: ZOMG we are loosing I better switch to the class I can pwn with Something like that Wait actually it could be usefull for balancing considering factors C D E G

Author:	Bartg [ 21 Jul 2009, 19:48 ]
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Quote: If u play ok, maybe with a negative k:d ratio, but against the top50, ur rank will rise. So joining the team with the best players isnt always the best decision. Not really, I play a lot against top 50 players, and I cant gain any rank

Author:	CatR [ 21 Jul 2009, 19:50 ]
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I think we can all agree, that ranked "skill" systems ... in the scientific term: "Sucks balls" And champagne-soda is the best soda created by human beings!

Author:	[SpA]Scatterbrain [ 21 Jul 2009, 21:07 ]
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I want my skill to increase by spamming the chatbox, dammit! till then, should I actually want to improve my rank I'll continue medic whoring, which seems to get my points no matter how bad I am at it.

Author:	Crovax20 [ 21 Jul 2009, 21:49 ]
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CatR wrote: I think we can all agree, that ranked "skill" systems ... in the scientific term: "Sucks balls" And champagne-soda is the best soda created by human beings! depends, if everyone would be playing soldier and there would be a finite lets say 100 players all reguraly visiting the server it could work

Author:	[SpA]moPP [ 21 Jul 2009, 22:56 ]
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I'd rather have "skill" per class instead of an overall skill allocation. Would be much more interesting.

Author:	[SpA]Minimoose! [ 21 Jul 2009, 23:14 ]
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I think my skill is high because: A) I switch against my team if it's winning badly (hence normally killing the decent regulars) B) My computer sucks, so I make sure I always have 60 fps by making it look like Pokemon Yellow, if my fps drops from 60 to 40 as it does my aim will be right off so i have to have 60 I say this because many people with decent computers push there's and don't mind it dropping below 60 slightly, since mine is bad I am more conscientious of my frame rate. C) I play demo, soldier and medic (but only when I have someone competent to heal, otherwise I might as well heal a brick wall. D) I don't run into sentries (Since a lot of low skilled players like to play engineer I guess you lose more points if you die from sentries, but its not about stats its just common sense to avoid suicide) E) Medics like to look at my arse Reasons why BartG can't go up in skill: A) He plays spy B) He plays spy C) He plays spy D) He concentrates more of whining about stats than actually playing E) He plays spy F) He hardly plays medic G) He isn't as sexy as me Reasons why the skill system is silly (but no one can come up with a better one, mainly because skill can't be measured by a formula really): A) People who start now can kill anyone in the top 20 and get about 100000000000000 points even if they are awesome or crap (although this gives new players a chance to get into the high ranks, so I suppose its a good feature. B) It favours certain classes, and in publics it isn't expecially hard to get a good score in any class as long as you play it sensibly (although scout/spy is hard), but soldier/demo/medic are especially easy.

Author:	[SpA]cookye [ 21 Jul 2009, 23:30 ]
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i got 100 kills and 20 deaths today on goldrush and my skill decreased

Author:	sebas [ 21 Jul 2009, 23:34 ]
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[SpA]moPP wrote: I'd rather have "skill" per class instead of an overall skill allocation. Would be much more interesting. Ooooh, that would be awesome indeed.

Author:	[SpA]Minimoose! [ 21 Jul 2009, 23:38 ]
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[SpA]cookye wrote: i got 100 kills and 20 deaths today on goldrush and my skill decreased Happens to me quite a lot :U

Author:	[SpA]Dekar [ 21 Jul 2009, 23:47 ]
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I got into the top 100 with my old pc with which I was happy to get steady 20 fps ( not including random loading stutters ), so PSs definitly tells you nothing aobut the PC.

Author:	Bartg [ 21 Jul 2009, 23:53 ]
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Quote: Reasons why BartG can't go up in skill: A) He plays spy B) He plays spy C) He plays spy D) He concentrates more of whining about stats than actually playing E) He plays spy F) He hardly plays medic G) He isn't as sexy as me A,B,C,,E I play spy very rarely nowadays, because since the update everyone is paranoid and its hard to suceed. D I enjoy my whine with cheese F I tried to play medic today to see how it will affect my rank, but as you said I would rather heal brick wall ( or teleporter ), I healed 13000+, launched 8 charges ( 3 kritz 5 ubers ) and got 11 assists whole round @ badlands ( abiout 15 minutes ) G - Lies.

Author:	Bartg [ 22 Jul 2009, 01:03 ]
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10 times, cause no one would care to protect medic, on assists I ubered a demo against 2 engis setup and all he did was put 8 stickies under ONE sentry, killed it and then we were raped by another sentry. And he was one of MONGO guys, so no newbie. After this I ragequited medic.

Author:	[SpA]Loke [ 22 Jul 2009, 01:05 ]
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Badlands can be pretty frustrating to play as medic due to the large size and open spaces. Also the fact that many people FUCKING SUCK AT PROTECTING THE GODDAMN MEDIC!!1 RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR.