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Author:  Crovax20 [ 24 May 2009, 17:14 ]
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lol don't worry Lim-Dul happens all the time to a lot of people.

Even WoW is better than this drop system. At least in WoW you can target specific bosses for specific items, here its just decided by the whimsical TF2 gods.
Author:  [SpA]Revenge [ 24 May 2009, 17:16 ]
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sigh i played for 30 mins on friday , then i had to work the entire weekend

I found a sandwich in that time , and tbh , i wud prefer to have two sandwichs instead of just one
Author:  Lim-Dul [ 24 May 2009, 17:18 ]
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[SpA]Crovax20 wrote:
lol don't worry Lim-Dul happens all the time to a lot of people.

Even WoW is better than this drop system. At least in WoW you can target specific bosses for specific items, here its just decided by the whimsical TF2 gods.
Yeah, you know - the downside of the system is: I can't really be angry with the system itself since it's a virtual entity. Valve is also just a corporation and I can't single out anybody at whom to rage. What follows is that the unlocks trigger an unhealthy feeling of envy, frustration and anger when another player gets something you want. Especially somebody who entered the game and got a new unlock after 15 minutes while you've been playing for 10 hours straight.
This also divides the player base into people who are happy with the new system since they got everything relatively quickly and the poor suckers who don't seem to be getting the new unlocks... I wish Valve had thought about the logical implications the system in its unfinished form would bring with it.

But well - I'm patient... I just wish I wouldn't have to play so much for getting the unlocks since I don't really have that much time to do it. :-\
Author:  [SpA]Revenge [ 24 May 2009, 17:21 ]
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if u want to rage at someone , go and find a mirror

If u havent got the items u want , then u havent played enough , and if u have been playing 24 hours a day 7 days a week , then u need to find another day
Author:  Lim-Dul [ 24 May 2009, 17:25 ]
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:-P

Anyways - I just found the Dead Ringer by idling on a server in spec mode. Currently watching movies. ^^

I guess the system isn't THAT bad if you can do stuff like this. You can play TF2 and eventually you'll get the unlocks OR you can do something else and just have TF2 launched in the background. ^^
Author:  Bartg [ 24 May 2009, 17:34 ]
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Heres my loadout ( not including deleted Kritzkrieg FaN and Ubersaw so add three more to current state )
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Aha, just got 2 Bonk Drinks in 1.5 hour...
And here's a scout with new hat ( people lucky enough to get new hat should play lottery immediately )
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Author:  Lim-Dul [ 24 May 2009, 17:55 ]
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By the way - am I the only one who think that Valve failed a bit with the Heavy's hat?

I mean - both the Medic and the Sniper got something stereotypically German or Australian while the RUSSIAN Heavy got an... American Football helmet? WTF? Totally out of character!

THIS is what the Heavy should have gotten:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushanka

I bet either Valve or some modders will *fix* this soon enough by adding a new wave of hats or changing the existing ones. ^^
Author:  [SpA]Relentless [ 24 May 2009, 18:41 ]
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[SpA]Lim-Dul wrote:
By the way - am I the only one who think that Valve failed a bit with the Heavy's hat?

I mean - both the Medic and the Sniper got something stereotypically German or Australian while the RUSSIAN Heavy got an... American Football helmet? WTF? Totally out of character!

THIS is what the Heavy should have gotten:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushanka

I bet either Valve or some modders will *fix* this soon enough by adding a new wave of hats or changing the existing ones. ^^
Now that you say it - I agree.
Author:  dckjns [ 24 May 2009, 19:38 ]
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Cloak and Dagger, 2x Jarate, 3x Razorback

/2 WTT once next update strikes.
Author:  Lim-Dul [ 24 May 2009, 19:56 ]
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Hah! My FFFFFUUU comic is now more accurate than ever - I just got my THIRD Kritzkrieg through idling. ;-)
Author:  Sawyer [ 24 May 2009, 19:58 ]
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I'm telling you, I'm pretty sure they will nerf the Dead Ringer. Extinguishing flames, huge reduction of inflicted damage, very fast regeneration rate etc. Sooner or later, everyone will complain about how OP it is and then it will be nerfed.

I should also say that I'm not complaining. Since I have the Dead Ringer, I can use it's qualities to get my achievements :D
Author:  Lim-Dul [ 24 May 2009, 20:01 ]
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I seriously doubt that they will nerf it - very few people know how to play the Spy properly and I'm not one of them. ;-)

Also note that it discharges 80% quicker.
Author:  [SpA]Repel [ 24 May 2009, 20:01 ]
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Sawyer wrote:
I'm telling you, I'm pretty sure they will nerf the Dead Ringer. Extinguishing flames, huge reduction of inflicted damage, very fast regeneration rate etc. Sooner or later, everyone will complain about how OP it is and then it will be nerfed.

I should also say that I'm not complaining. Since I have the Dead Ringer, I can use it's qualities to get my achievements :D
It doesn't need nerfed. :| It becomes obvious when a spy is using a Dead Ringer after the first time he uses it and it has long recharge time and only 8 second cloak. :?
Author:  [SpA]Blackhawk [ 24 May 2009, 20:21 ]
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Played one hour on Friday and got Backburner. Played one hour today and got Ambassador. Not that I really need stuff for the class I almost never play. I wanna have the scout stuff because I don't have it yet. ^^
Author:  Lim-Dul [ 24 May 2009, 20:35 ]
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I can trade it later. Got two FaNs and two Sandmen. ^^
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 24 May 2009, 20:43 ]
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Well I have 8 extra pyro items, who the hell is going to want to trade the Huntsman for 3 flareguns, 3 backburners and 2 axtinguishers.
Author:  [SpA]Dekar [ 24 May 2009, 20:50 ]
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I got a badass lucky streak today and found 3 Ambadassor, Deadringer, Bonk drink as only old unlock I didnt have as well as some other items. :4
Now I'm only missing Cloak & Dagger.
Author:  Bartg [ 24 May 2009, 21:08 ]
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Got my 3rd axtinguisher, which im gonna paint pink to create a dildo - maybe someone will want it for exchange.
Author:  [SpA]MrOrange [ 24 May 2009, 21:12 ]
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Found the Cloak and Dagger aswel today.

Can't complain but actually I wanted the Dead Ringer, Ambassador, Huntsman and Razorback.

Aw well, guess I'll have to play even more then
Author:  Bartg [ 24 May 2009, 21:17 ]
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Aw well, guess I'll have to play even more then
Playing more =/= more unlocks, about 40 hours of play = 2 new items and 12 repeats :|
Author:  [SpA]MrOrange [ 24 May 2009, 21:19 ]
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Bartg wrote:
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Aw well, guess I'll have to play even more then
Playing more =/= more unlocks, about 40 hours of play = 2 new items and 12 repeats :|
You did get more unlocks, you were just unlucky with the kind of things you got.

More Unlocks = more chance to get a new one
Author:  Bartg [ 24 May 2009, 21:32 ]
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More Unlocks = more chance to get a new one
Thats true, but also more OLD unlocks = more frustration :|
Author:  Lim-Dul [ 24 May 2009, 21:33 ]
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Well - I wasn't even THAT lucky. I got an under-average number of unlocks so far. But at least two new ones.
Author:  Crovax20 [ 24 May 2009, 23:54 ]
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nice bug in the deadringer, it also saves you from instant death.

Well at least it seems to do that, I backstabbed dekar twice yesterday when he had the dead ringer and it didn't actually kill him at all. Which was rather lame because it pretty much made him immune to death from spies.
Author:  Marmelada [ 25 May 2009, 00:09 ]
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I think the dead ringer is supposed to do that, you get a lot of damage reduction with it active, I saw a topic on the steam forums and they were saying you can survive a train hit if you get out of the way right after getting hit.

Bragging time:
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Seems I'm very lucky, I didn't idle at all. I didn't keep duplicates of items except for spy and sniper.
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 25 May 2009, 00:34 ]
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Author:  Crovax20 [ 25 May 2009, 00:41 ]
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Marmelada wrote:
I think the dead ringer is supposed to do that, you get a lot of damage reduction with it active, I saw a topic on the steam forums and they were saying you can survive a train hit if you get out of the way right after getting hit.

Seems I'm very lucky, I didn't idle at all. I didn't keep duplicates of items except for spy and sniper.
http://www.teamfortress.com/sniper_vs_s ... nglish.htm

I'd suggest everyone reads the advertisement for the dead ringer carefully

Or wait I'll just spoil it.... It says the moment you recieve a non-lethal hit.

AFAIK a lot of crits, backstabs and headshots are very much lethal thus the deadringer should not take effect
Author:  Bartg [ 25 May 2009, 03:28 ]
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Its ok as it is, uncloaking from DR is extremely loud, and you cant cloak on your own. For me two dead ringers, but still no Ambassador or Huntsman :( And I found both new spy watches rather situational and standard one seems best all arounder.
Author:  Lim-Dul [ 25 May 2009, 03:52 ]
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Non-Lethal hit means a hit that doesn't kill you AFTER the damage has been reduced by the Dead Ringer's effect. Yes, the wording can be interpreted both ways but I don't see why yours is automatically the right one and a reason to see the DR as "bugged". Basically the Dead Ringer makes you receive only 12% damage of the hit that triggers its so while the backstab situation is debatable there's nothing wrong with surviving headshots or certain criticals - they aren't insta-kill after all, they just do a huge amount of damage.

I also wouldn't complain about the DR too much - it's pretty cool but situational (e.g. it's useless for infiltrating defenses like sentries). It has LOTS of downsides already: 180% drain (so 8 seconds of cloak), no recharging by picking up ammo, VERY loud uncloaking noise, you can't use your weapons while having it readied AND you can't get it out again until it is fully charged - the last feature is actually what keeps it from being overpowered - otherwise Spies could cloak and uncloak to avoid damage infinitely - now they can't and once the DR is triggered they're pretty much f00ked until it's charged again. Lets not forget that spies can't activate the cloak at will so they WILL get damaged, however slightly, by using it which gives them a disadvantage over a skilled infiltrator who can get past enemy lines completely undetected the "normal" way.

The DR adds a lot to Spy survivability and that's OK because recently when everybody figured out the Spy tactics Spies were having a hard time - it doesn't add much to the Spy's overall killing/sapping effectiveness though.
Author:  Crovax20 [ 25 May 2009, 12:26 ]
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okay, fine so now the spy can outtank a heavy. Seriously, common sense dictates they meant it to only work against non insta kill hits.

And its so much fun as a spy to backstab an enemy spy to only have him uncloak a couple of seconds later. Sort of makes the spy near invincible against other spies.

Yes it makes a lot of noise, but valve can patch that as well, they just released a buggy piece of crap tbh.

Anyhow we will see what they will do. No point in going into an argument.
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