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Crovax20
PostPosted: 13 Aug 2008, 23:06 
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exactly...the names are so fuckin awesome~ xD pushkin the cart
Although I'm not one of the people who say that you CAN'T make fun of Hitler etc. I wonder why Americans (read: Valve) have no problems naming stuff after Stalin who probably killed more people than Hitler, while Nazi Germany is more or less a taboo. :-\

I wonder what people would say if someone made achievements named after Osama Bin Laden or an achievement called 9/11 where you had to crash planes into buildings in some games... We all know that they even removed PLANE CRASHES from SimCity...

(I'm talking about Stalin the Kart)
because stalin was one of the good guys :?

Nah, killing people who oppose you is a bad thing, but killing people of a certain ethnic group is just plainly crossing the line.

Haven't people learned anything from the Resident evil 5 trailers? :twisted:

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OMg , the heavy is going to have critz too ? o: !

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Crock Block
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Sorry if I came across as accusatory as well, man. Let's all be friends and pat asses. McMoist can join too!
I like the fact I get brought up when there's talk of men touching each other's asses, as if I'd jump at the chance to partake.

By the way, if you are going to pat each other's asses I'd absolutely jump at the chance to partake.

Oh and my favourite achievement name is Communist Mani-Fisto.
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PostPosted: 14 Aug 2008, 13:12 
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Oh and my favourite achievement name is Communist Mani-Fisto.
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Lim-Dul
PostPosted: 14 Aug 2008, 13:17 
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[SpA]Crovax wrote:
Nah, killing people who oppose you is a bad thing, but killing people of a certain ethnic group is just plainly crossing the line.
Well - Stalin is responsible for AT LEAST 10 million deaths and some estimates place this figure much, much higher, the average being somewhere around 20 million... (Hell! This is like the population of one whole medium-sized country. 0_o) Stalin didn't kill people who opposed him, he "pre-emptied" certain social groups that could potentially oppose him at a certain point in time because they were well educated or whatnot.

I don't think killing on such a massive scale for whatever reason can be justified in any way... Especially deemed as "not crossing the line"... :-\
The "problem" with Stalin is that he mostly killed his own people, that is Russians, while Hitler killed foreigners hence Stalin isn't universally known as a mass-murderer outside the Soviet Block...
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Looks like heavy is going to have a killing-taunt too
Yeah, I was already wondering when they'd be adding some sort of "lethality" to the "POW!" taunt. I wonder if it'll be ranged. ^^

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PostPosted: 14 Aug 2008, 13:20 
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In my opinion both of them were assholes( :6 ), but the Achievements are not. Therefore they´re not comparable!
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PostPosted: 14 Aug 2008, 13:30 
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Case rested and closed!
Oh come on, Marxman is awesome :mrgreen:

Anyway, someone on another forum claimed that beta testers (who apparently confirmed the boxing gloves as well) have revealed the other unlocks:
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Primary- Minigun that does -25% damage but -50% run speed to whoever it hits.

Secondary- A sandwhich that gives you 100 hp but can't attack.
Sounds plausible to me, they wanted to make the heavy more useful without a medic.

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Does that look like the current revolver? :4

Let the rampant speculation begin!

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silencer!!!!!!!! :lol: THIS UPDATE IS A SPY

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Lim-Dul
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I believe the sandwich won't give the Heavy +100 hp. While it WOULD make the Heavy more useful without the medic imagine what it would do to a heavy WITH a medic... 600 hp? Even if it were NOT counted towards the buff it'd still mean a tank with 550 hp... Compared to this the controversial and now obsolete +50 hp Backburner buff would have been nothing.
Also, more HP don't make the Heavy that useful. The main problem still remains healing after the fight, curing burns etc. I think the sandwich will be like a mobile health pack and heal the heavy for e.g. 100 hp when consumed, not give him a health boost. We will know soon enough, I trust Valve to make the right decision (sooner or later ^^).
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Does that look like the current revolver?
Perhaps Valve is already working on the next update? Or rather: not perhaps but FOR SURE. With such a tight release schedule they must work on several things at once. The fake Spy update leaflet had an idea for a silenced pistol so maybe this is it? If I recall correctly it would be a like a revolver that does less damage up front but always crits from behind - sounds very "Valve-ish" to me. ^^

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PostPosted: 14 Aug 2008, 13:54 
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[SpA]Lim-Dul wrote:
I believe the sandwich won't give the Heavy +100 hp. While it WOULD make the Heavy more useful without the medic imagine what it would do to a heavy WITH a medic... 600 hp? Even if it were NOT counted towards the buff it'd still mean a tank with 550 hp... Compared to this the controversial and now obsolete +50 hp Backburner buff would have been nothing.
Also, more HP don't make the Heavy that useful. The main problem still remains healing after the fight, curing burns etc. I think the sandwich will be like a mobile health pack and heal the heavy for e.g. 100 hp when consumed, not give him a health boost. We will know soon enough, I trust Valve to make the right decision (sooner or later ^^).
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Does that look like the current revolver?
Perhaps Valve is already working on the next update? Or rather: not perhaps but FOR SURE. With such a tight release schedule they must work on several things at once. The fake Spy update leaflet had an idea for a silenced pistol so maybe this is it? If I recall correctly it would be a like a revolver that does less damage up front but always crits from behind - sounds very "Valve-ish" to me. ^^
how about the sandwich heals the heavy for 100.. when he eats it! :P that would work.. gives them their own little healer..

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how about the sandwich heals the heavy for 100.. when he eats it! :P that would work.. gives them their own little healer..

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That's what I assumed it was.

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Doomshine wrote:
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how about the sandwich heals the heavy for 100.. when he eats it! :P that would work.. gives them their own little healer..

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That's what I assumed it was.

i would make sense.. since in every "meet the ..." vids the heavy is always eating a sandwich!!

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[SpA]UndeadDruid wrote:
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how about the sandwich heals the heavy for 100.. when he eats it! :P that would work.. gives them their own little healer..

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That's what I assumed it was.

i would make sense.. since in every "meet the ..." vids the heavy is always eating a sandwich!!
ehm...what "meeth the..." videos were u watchin~??

since he's only eatin a sandwich in meet the scout... xD

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I'm pretty sure he will be able to eat the sandwich. I mean - CARRYING around a sandwich gives you 100 hp? That would be just silly - even by TF2 standards. ;-)
It also seems to be perfectly balanced since it robs the Heavy of the insta-fire shotgun and requires the player to retreat for a quick lunch. Man, this would fit the TF2 theme perfectly with Heavies munching on their sandwiches all over the map - ha, ha, high comedy.

The "Konspicuous Konsumption" and "Don't Touch Sandvich" achievements reinforce this theory.

P.S. Perhaps you'll be able to get more than one bite out of sandwich - that would be cool. ^^
P.P.S. I wrote about the 100 hp healed theory in the very text you quoted, Druid. ;-)

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[SpA]Lim-Dul wrote:
I'm pretty sure he will be able to eat the sandwich. I mean - CARRYING around a sandwich gives you 100 hp? That would be just silly - even by TF2 standards. ;-)

The "Konspicuous Konsumption" and "Don't Touch Sandvich" achievements reinforce this theory.

P.S. Perhaps you'll be able to get more than one bite out of sandwich - that would be cool. ^^
P.P.S. I wrote about the 100 hp healed theory in the very text you quoted, Druid. ;-)

i cba to read your posts, they are always soo long
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Doomshine wrote:
[SpA]UndeadDruid wrote:
how about the sandwich heals the heavy for 100.. when he eats it! :P that would work.. gives them their own little healer..

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That's what I assumed it was.

i would make sense.. since in every "meet the ..." vids the heavy is always eating a sandwich!!
i guess its the only one i watched recently :P

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[SpA]UndeadDruid wrote:
i cba to read your posts, they are always soo long
LOL - this one was pretty short and you even quoted it. ^^
UndeadDruid is a dork
Next time I'll sneak some "UndeadDruid is a dork" texts in between the lines - perhaps you won't notice and quote them in your reply. :-D
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In my opinion both of them were assholes, but the Achievements are not. Therefore they´re not comparable!
I agree - I'm just trying to understand the media and public opinion. Crovax already brought up the Resident Evil 5 trailer.

A guy shooting black VIRTUAL ZOMBIES = major scandal. Plane crashes in SimCity = not OK (!). Naming achievements after a guy who killed millions and millions of REAL people = OK?

I don't have a problem with any of these things since I'm all for free speech but the above examples show that many people are very... hmm... two-faced...

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I think having a sandwich would probably help me out right now since I'm currently nursing a particularly nasty hangover.

I think it's a good idea to put it in the game though. Being such a fat bastard, the Heavy usually dies when on fire since, unless you're really close to a Medkit, you'll burn to death. It's especially annoying when some dickhole Scout with half health and who ISN'T on fire runs in and pinches it right before you get there. Honestly, if I could toggle friendly fire I'd do it just for a second so I could gun the little shit down before I succumbed to the fire engulfing me! However, I digress.

Munching on a tasty sandwich to heal you whilst retreating from battle would be very handy, and I fully support it's inclusion.

I'M BURNING!!!!! :4
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It's especially annoying when some dickhole Scout with half health and who ISN'T on fire runs in and pinches it right before you get there.
Oh, don't get me started on those bastards! And I play Scout very often myself...

Where is the topic about what you hate certain classes doing? ^^

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I'm guessing it will be a heal over time, while he munches away.

And the minigun I dunno what to think about it... looks like a nerf to pyro and scout

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Probably more for Pyros. Scouts get shredded by Heavies (if they aren't the noob sort of Heavy =) anyways...

I'm not sure if the info about the alternative minigun is correct, however. Certain rumors weren't true in the past... I guess we'll find out soon enough anyway. ^^

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Well on the plus side if you get the drop on the heavy you will still be able to beat him to pulp as a pyro. THere is this little thing called the axethinguisher that will do him in quite fast :p

With the current minigun its rather risky and you usually die as well, but if thats the new one you can do it and get away with it!

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[SpA]DrMcMoist wrote:
I think having a sandwich would probably help me out right now since I'm currently nursing a particularly nasty hangover.

I think it's a good idea to put it in the game though. Being such a fat bastard, the Heavy usually dies when on fire since, unless you're really close to a Medkit, you'll burn to death. It's especially annoying when some dickhole Scout with half health and who ISN'T on fire runs in and pinches it right before you get there. Honestly, if I could toggle friendly fire I'd do it just for a second so I could gun the little shit down before I succumbed to the fire engulfing me! However, I digress.

Munching on a tasty sandwich to heal you whilst retreating from battle would be very handy, and I fully support it's inclusion.

I'M BURNING!!!!! :4
But wouldn't your sandwich be burning? :mrgreen:

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But wouldn't your sandwich be burning? :mrgreen:
if you are burning your sandwich becomes a toast :mrgreen:

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it should really happen, when a pyro burns the heavy when he's eating it should only get like 50hp max since a burned sandwich sux ballz!! :P




offtopic: lim-dul plz do you lines in your posts.. :P i would only laugh if i was able to spot it :P

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New official Valve-map announced.... Badwater, a PL map :)

http://steamgames.com/tf2/heavy/badwater.htm

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How unrealistic, that spy aint covered and he is neither disguised and the sentry is not shooting at him :mrgreen: :

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This either means spys are no more vulnerable to sentry fire or this is no ingame screenshot.

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looks quite fun.. yay for little usefull sentries on that map!! AND MORE PLACE FOR SNIPING!!! <3

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How unrealistic, that spy aint covered and he is neither disguised and the sentry is not shooting at him :mrgreen:

PLUS i dont see heavy unlockable :( and no meter on the dispencer

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How unrealistic, that spy aint covered and he is neither disguised and the sentry is not shooting at him :mrgreen: :

This either means spys are no more vulnerable to sentry fire or this is no ingame screenshot.

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
that could also just mean that you're viewing it from the BLU teams perspective, and the spy is disguised as a spy!

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