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Author: | [SpA]SaintK [ 01 Apr 2011, 19:38 ] |
Post subject: | Scramble plugin installed |
We've installed a new version of the scramble plugin we initially tested. The plugin, "gScramble" has had a few massive updates over the last few months and has been given a lot of new features and bug fixes. We've slapped together an initial config based on player skill points drawn from our HLstatsX stats tracking database. Please provide us with constructive feedback if you want to see anything changed in the plugin settings. Don't just tell us something is a problem, look up the settings, come up with a counter suggestion and defend your suggestion so we can make a proper judgement on if it should be changed or not. Code:
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Author: | [SpA]Minimoose! [ 01 Apr 2011, 20:59 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
good job! |
Author: | [SpA]Dekar [ 01 Apr 2011, 21:07 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
Someone scrambled after a steamroll on granary, but next round was equally imbalanced overall resulting in a quick second round win. Im not impressed yet! |
Author: | DrMcMoist [ 01 Apr 2011, 21:15 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
I thought the name of this thread was 'Scramble plugin installed' ,not 'Let's impress Dekar'. |
Author: | [SpA]SaintK [ 01 Apr 2011, 21:16 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
Dekar wrote: Someone scrambled after a steamroll on granary, but next round was equally imbalanced overall resulting in a quick second round win.
You shouldn't use manual scrambles at the moment, please let it do it's work on auto mode, see if it balances it by itself.
Im not impressed yet! |
Author: | [SpA]Dekar [ 01 Apr 2011, 22:41 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
[SpA]DrMcMoist wrote: I thought the name of this thread was 'Scramble plugin installed' ,not 'Let's impress Dekar'.
Must be an overlook, better change it.
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Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 04 Apr 2011, 10:13 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
Just curious if this has been turned off? as I didn't see it working last night. I wanted to see it in action so i could provide some constructive feedback to you if there were any issues. I read over the cfg, and it looks okay to me, but would be nice to see it in action. The manual scramble options have disappeared from the admin controls; would it be possible to get them back as a precautionary measure in case the plugin doesn't kick in, as last night there was no way to scramble the teams. It would be really appreciated, Thank you. |
Author: | [SpA]SaintK [ 04 Apr 2011, 10:18 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
[SpA]ProtectMyBalls wrote: Just curious if this has been turned off? as I didn't see it working last night. I wanted to see it in action so i could provide some constructive feedback to you if there were any issues. I read over the cfg, and it looks okay to me, but would be nice to see it in action.
Hmm the plugin is on and active. There are some points I am not completely understanding from the auto balance bit of the config, so I'll get in touch with the plugin author to explain me a thing or 2 on the configuration.The manual scramble options have disappeared from the admin controls; would it be possible to get them back as a precautionary measure in case the plugin doesn't kick in, as last night there was no way to scramble the teams. It would be really appreciated, Thank you. The scramble commands should be in the admin menu, but I'd appreciate it if they aren't touched until the plugin is fully tested, ideally it needs to run on its own without admins needing to call manual scrambles (what we try to aim for is not using the scramble at all, but only ongoing balancing throughout the game). #edit Made a small edit as i maybe think I understand the cvar. TF2's default balancer is now disabled, and gScrambles autobalancer enabled. |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 04 Apr 2011, 10:26 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
[SpA]SaintK wrote:
Hmm the plugin is on and active. There are some points I am not completely understanding from the auto balance bit of the config, so I'll get in touch with the plugin author to explain me a thing or 2 on the configuration.
Awesome! In my original post on the map rotation thread, I really wanted this feature so that the need to scramble was taken out of the hands of admin so it would be present when no admins were on the server and make it so admins didn't have to be constant worrying about fair teams all the time. So im 100% with you.The scramble commands should be in the admin menu, but I'd appreciate it if they aren't touched until the plugin is fully tested, ideally it needs to run on its own without admins needing to call manual scrambles (what we try to aim for is not using the scramble at all, but only ongoing balancing throughout the game). I definitely did not intend to use the manual scramble tools, as i want to see the auto working in as many scenarios as possible. But when i hit my admin key, i only got 3 options, the 4th (scramble/balance) was missing Again, I don't have any intention of using it, just be a good fallback if things get really bad and the auto plugin does not kick off. But yeah, it was really weird, it didn't auto scramble once in the 3-4 hours i played last night, so was worried it was broken or something and i haven't seen it in action for myself yet |
Author: | [SpA]SaintK [ 04 Apr 2011, 10:29 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
[SpA]ProtectMyBalls wrote: [SpA]SaintK wrote:
Hmm the plugin is on and active. There are some points I am not completely understanding from the auto balance bit of the config, so I'll get in touch with the plugin author to explain me a thing or 2 on the configuration.
Awesome! In my original post on the map rotation thread, I really wanted this feature so that the need to scramble was taken out of the hands of admin so it would be present when no admins were on the server and make it so admins didn't have to be constant worrying about fair teams all the time. So im 100% with you.The scramble commands should be in the admin menu, but I'd appreciate it if they aren't touched until the plugin is fully tested, ideally it needs to run on its own without admins needing to call manual scrambles (what we try to aim for is not using the scramble at all, but only ongoing balancing throughout the game). I definitely did not intend to use the manual scramble tools, as i want to see the auto working in as many scenarios as possible. But when i hit my admin key, i only got 3 options, the 4th (scramble/balance) was missing Again, I don't have any intention of using it, just be a good fallback if things get really bad and the auto plugin does not kick off. But yeah, it was really weird, it didn't auto scramble once in the 3-4 hours i played last night, so was worried it was broken or something and i haven't seen it in action for myself yet |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 04 Apr 2011, 10:32 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
Thanks saint, ill have a look this evening. |
Author: | matude [ 04 Apr 2011, 13:34 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
If both teams have 10 players and I join by letting the system automatically assign me to a team, does it do so randomly or by the same logarithm that takes care of auto-balance? I'm curious if I should start checking the team stats and then join the one with less kills or does the system do the same thing by itself? Not that I'm much help kill-wise but still... |
Author: | annarack [ 04 Apr 2011, 17:23 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
I think afaik, the balance kicks in from the gameplay, so if you randomly join then it will randomly put you in a team based on it being random and not to do with balance. If you know what I mean. |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 04 Apr 2011, 17:28 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
matude wrote: Not that I'm much help kill-wise but still...
I think you are getting a lot better mate
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Author: | [SpA]Minimoose! [ 04 Apr 2011, 18:44 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
good spy, that silent de-cloak owns me. damn set items |
Author: | [SpA]JuncoPartner [ 04 Apr 2011, 20:01 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
I miss the easier to kill matude with his trademark hat |
Author: | matude [ 05 Apr 2011, 00:59 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
Ow, egoboost Thanks guys Had to craft the damn set, too. I think I just derailed the thread, mm... to get back on track I guess I should add that playing today for 3-4 hours there were a couple of moments when the system should have definitely auto-balanced the teams, but didn't do so. |
Author: | annarack [ 05 Apr 2011, 01:35 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
So far, I personally am quite happy with the way the balancing is working. I don't think we should scramble unless absolutely necessary. |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 05 Apr 2011, 01:38 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
I've seen the balancing thing work tonite and that was quite cool , but the auto scramble didn't kick in really in some instances which might be down to how the game modes work. Shall have a read over the cfg when im more awake I appreciate that we need to test the system and you have my full support! I will also try and be as helpful as I can be, but i can't stress enough, how I don't want to get back into a situation like we did when we tested out that brand new scramble plugin and drive away the players again. What im trying to say is, we should still manually scramble if it's (only) really necessary. I ofc do not intend to do this constantly, just when there is no choice, and players start dropping. |
Author: | [SpA]Dunken [ 05 Apr 2011, 11:47 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
[SpA]ProtectMyBalls wrote: What im trying to say is, we should still manually scramble if it's (only) really necessary. I ofc do not intend to do this constantly, just when there is no choice, and players start dropping.
Like a redundant safety system. Just in case, if stil problems would occure. Maybe after an upcome update that would break the auto-scramble. Swatching players manualy then could be a pain in the arse...with complaining swapped players, that bitch at the admi instead of the autocramble. |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 05 Apr 2011, 12:18 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
[SpA]Dunken wrote: [SpA]ProtectMyBalls wrote: What im trying to say is, we should still manually scramble if it's (only) really necessary. I ofc do not intend to do this constantly, just when there is no choice, and players start dropping.
Like a redundant safety system. Just in case, if stil problems would occure. Maybe after an upcome update that would break the auto-scramble. Swatching players manualy then could be a pain in the arse...with complaining swapped players, that bitch at the admi instead of the autocramble. Just only use the manual scramble thing, when teams are clearly unbalanced (i.e. scores etc) and the auto scramble hasn't kicked in, and players start to leave. But to everyone, try and let the auto-scramble do its thing; but if it doesn't then use your best judgement. People will always complain though, even if the teams are fair, they might just be playing crab and blaming it on the server. They are douches and should be ignored; but they are normally randoms anyway. ^^ |
Author: | annarack [ 05 Apr 2011, 14:37 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
FYI if there is a complaint about this plug in, could you provide a timestamp and what happened (or didn't happen) which we can then use to match it against the actions that are logged so we can easily detect the problem. |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 05 Apr 2011, 15:14 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
[SpA]annarack wrote: FYI if there is a complaint about this plug in, could you provide a timestamp and what happened (or didn't happen) which we can then use to match it against the actions that are logged so we can easily detect the problem.
shall do
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Author: | matude [ 17 Apr 2011, 17:29 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
Quote: Code: "Yesterday I took screenshots of a couple of games, in both cases people were very annoyed and close to leaving because the auto-balance only moved a couple of people around, mostly when somebody quit, and didn't take into account the imbalance of teams in terms of skill at all. Here's a screenshot of the worst imbalance:
If one team has more than twice as many kills, shouldn't the teams be auto-balanced? Or how does it work?
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Author: | [SpA]JuncoPartner [ 17 Apr 2011, 19:28 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
The auto balancer is working and helping a bit, but I deffinetly think it needs to be more sensitive. |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 17 Apr 2011, 19:37 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
i just took some screenshots of it not scrambling on granary, goldrush and also ive noted when the auto-team balance wouldn't kick in and just make the teams the same number; which i noticed the plugin actually deactivates the standard tf2 autobalance; however does not replace the action as you can see in these screenshots, these uneven team numbers will be there for a few minutes often costing one team the round. Attachment:
File comment: Shows auto balance not working effectively or quick enough.
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File comment: shows on granary the teams not being scrambled
cp_granary0001_17‎April‎2011_18.14.53.jpg [ 317.83 KiB | Viewed 2726 times ] Attachment:
File comment: shows the other team leaving and not auto balance
cp_granary0002_17‎April‎201â€â€Ž.18.14.53.jpg [ 358.61 KiB | Viewed 2726 times ] Attachment:
File comment: shows imbalance and no scrambling.
As much as it will effect the data there has got to be a point where we use the manual scramble; I do no want to get back in to that situation that we had last time. So when it is needed im going to have to manually scramble, rather than watch one player get moved over to the other team and then everyone leaves it anyway. Instead of waiting out an entire map, because even if we dont use manual scramble, the data will not be very useful as the players would have disconnected anyway.
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Author: | annarack [ 18 Apr 2011, 21:25 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
Good points, I'm back tomorrow so I'll look into it to see if any of this is possible. In the meantime if you do see the code that corresponds to your query, paste it here ^^ |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 19 Apr 2011, 02:00 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
correct me if i am wrong, but is auto scramble even turned on? Code:
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Author: | Pandorum [ 19 Apr 2011, 02:53 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
Soooo off topic but balls, did you put those pics in that particular order on purpose? 1st pic : Ranked 1st 2nd pic : Ranked 2nd 3rd pic : Ranked 3rd 4th pic : Ranked 4th I think I pay attention to useless details too much... |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 19 Apr 2011, 09:42 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble plugin installed |
haha, didn't notice that coincidence ^^ i like the fact that one of the spec is called LEROY!!! JENKINNSSS! |
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