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nl  [SpA]SaintK
 Post subject: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 08:17 
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 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 08:19 
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hopefully it's a fix for the random damage they didn't announce in last update o:
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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 08:56 
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 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 09:02 
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Quote:
http://store.steampowered.com/news/2148/

Updates to Team Fortress 2 and Day of Defeat: Source have been released.
The updates will be applied automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The specific changes include:

- Added a Quick List view to the serverbrowser
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gb  MikeDH
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 11:25 
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[SpA]SaintK wrote:
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http://store.steampowered.com/news/2148/

Updates to Team Fortress 2 and Day of Defeat: Source have been released.
The updates will be applied automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The specific changes include:

- Added a Quick List view to the serverbrowser
I always wanted one of those. yeah.

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 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 11:36 
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Best update ever :P

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ro  sebas
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 11:56 
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Great. A quickslist view. Next update will be:
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nl  [SpA]Bucky
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 12:21 
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As I see it now , they have tons of bugs, so there's not one bug I hope they fixed...
Long live buggy games, they give the world something to complain! Luckily we have real issues like what color should the motd be, or what haircut saint should have!

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fr  [SpA]demm
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 12:30 
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The next update will introduce a lobby system for TF2 :demm:
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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 12:45 
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More power to the lobbyists! :4

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de  [SpA]Voegelchen
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 12:59 
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I dont understand why do you complain.
TF2 has one of the best support after shipping in the whole gaming industry.

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nl  [SpA]Bucky
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PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 13:11 
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Thanks for proving a point birdie :D Complaining for the sake of complaining! :4 Nothing more, nothing less.

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 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 13:17 
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 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 13:56 
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I think they should have at least given you the option for a zune theme steam!

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ro  Lim-Dul
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2009, 14:08 
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I think Valve's small project teams (that oftentimes work on several games at once) concept starts to show here. They were to busy ironing out L4D bugs now so TF2 will probably have to wait a bit longer but I'll be glad whenever the job gets done - especially in L4D, finally, less complaining about that one. :-D

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pl  Bartg
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 14 Jan 2009, 01:30 
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There are some more pressing issues than new ( shitty) GUI :roll:
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gb  MikeDH
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 14 Jan 2009, 01:36 
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I noticed slowdown in tf2 for first time, in badlands outside the attacking spawn, drops to 50fps, which i notice quite quickly, indoors is like 120fps.

Only since update, but not played badlands for yonks...

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 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 14 Jan 2009, 10:44 
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That quick view thing is shitty. :roll:

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ro  Lim-Dul
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2009, 00:51 
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Wohoo! Even if the TF2 update sucked a bit we got an epic Steam Client update today - the most important part is that the overlay browser has been tweaked and you can finally go to a specific address without using workarounds. That's pretty useful since the overlay activates for all games you're launching from the game list and that means that I can e.g. have a walkthrough or something like that opened while playing, which will come in VERY handy when reviewing games. ^^

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fr  [SpA]demm
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:26 
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Except that they should have used another browser instead of the embedded IE control. I don't understand why they chose it. In the forum thread about this, one of the devs said, that they might change engine in the future, because they have to use a lot of workarounds and hacks to get IE to work like it does. There are so many (open source) rendering engines available, I really don't understand why they went for an undocumented control that doesn't expose proper APIs.

The browser in the overlay is really handy, but it's way too slow if you're used to a good browser (=Opera).
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nl  [SpA]SaintK
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2009, 21:05 
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[SpA]demm wrote:
Except that they should have used another browser instead of the embedded IE control. I don't understand why they chose it. In the forum thread about this, one of the devs said, that they might change engine in the future, because they have to use a lot of workarounds and hacks to get IE to work like it does. There are so many (open source) rendering engines available, I really don't understand why they went for an undocumented control that doesn't expose proper APIs.

The browser in the overlay is really handy, but it's way too slow if you're used to a good browser (=Opera).
Arn't they using the local IE engine? When i ran steam under Wine i had to install IE under wine for the browser to work. Maybe they use it cause every windows pc contains parts of IE they might use? (just a wild guess)
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ro  Lim-Dul
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2009, 21:17 
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Yep, good guess Saint. However, since Steam includes the possibility of very easy updates they shouldn't really be so scared of using other engines. I agree with Demm that Presto (Opera's engine) might be a good choice since it's a very fast and lightweight engine BUT it's proprietary and while Opera as such is free, there are licensing costs for commercial applications (that's how Opera makes money).

I'd go for WebKit simply because it's so amazingly compliant with all standards (first engine to pass the Acid3 test flawlessly with development builds!).

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 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2009, 21:57 
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Webkit would have been my guess. Worst issue is that they are using IE 6.0 and not 7.0. :/

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ro  Lim-Dul
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2009, 22:31 
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[SpA]Blackhawk wrote:
Webkit would have been my guess. Worst issue is that they are using IE 6.0 and not 7.0. :/
Or 8.0 - the first IE to pass the Acid2 test - LOLZOR. ^^

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 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 16 Jan 2009, 08:45 
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[SpA]SaintK wrote:
Arn't they using the local IE engine?
That's exactly what I said. They use the COM control, that ships with IE and is installed on every windows PC and embed it in their application.
Drawback of this are: the control is slow, has no real API, has a restricted feature set and it behaves differently between different IE versions.

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Webkit would have been my guess. Worst issue is that they are using IE 6.0 and not 7.0. :/
Read above. They use the control, which has whatever version the user has updated his system to. So for some users it's 6, for others it's 7 or even 8.

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I'd go for WebKit simply because it's so amazingly compliant with all standards (first engine to pass the Acid3 test flawlessly with development builds!).
Opera and Webkit achieved this at pretty much the same time. I'm using Opera 10.0 alpha and it renders Acid3 flawlessly and is much faster than Webkit.

Of course I know how Opera's licensing works, that's why I said they should use one of the open source engines.
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 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 16 Jan 2009, 09:08 
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[SpA]demm wrote:
Read above. They use the control, which has whatever version the user has updated his system to. So for some users it's 6, for others it's 7 or even 8.
kk... have just read an article and not dug into this myself. Nevertheless: Any other engine would be a better choice. ;)
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Opera 10.0 alpha and it renders Acid3 flawlessly and is much faster than Webkit.
Ye... Acid3 is nice, but not that usefull at the moment. I'd be happy if the browsers would display basic stuff as they should. ^^

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nl  [SpA]SaintK
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 16 Jan 2009, 11:29 
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Can we call on the ingame steam browser using sourcemod, rather then using a ingame motd window to display html content in ?
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fr  [SpA]demm
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 16 Jan 2009, 12:24 
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No.

The ingame steam browser is part of the overlay. The motd browser is part of TF2. We can't access the overlay from a TF2 server.
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nl  [SpA]SaintK
 Post subject: Re: TF2 update installed
PostPosted: 16 Jan 2009, 12:31 
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[SpA]demm wrote:
No.

The ingame steam browser is part of the overlay. The motd browser is part of TF2. We can't access the overlay from a TF2 server.

Bollocks :(

The overlay browser can display ad's.... :mrgreen:
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