I don t wanna walk in a fridge full of shit beer

I completely agree! Heineken tastes like foamy dog urine (don't bother asking me how I know that). Not te be cocky (call it, chauvinism) but we have some of the best beers here in Belgium. We've got a massive beer culture and Westvleteren has been elected Best Beer (period!) by an international commitee. Costs €7 a bottle (25cl) and you can only get it from the monks who brew it at the abbey though . . .

don't worry guys, its natural to hate the biggest player on the market. Everyone hates Microsoft/Sony etc as well!

If their beer would seriously be so shit, it wouldnt be one of the biggest players on the world market of beer. You guys just think its shit because that beer the monks have brewed and only make 100 beers a year should taste so much better! You believe in it so much that it actually tastes better.

I don't drink beer much, because I hate bubbles! But all this stupid talk about stuff tasting crap, is just a social thing.

I really want a walk in and a walking fridge... A man can dream

Crovax - I would disagree with you. I mean - McDonald's is also the most popular fast food restaurant but you wouldn't say that their food is top-notch, even if you eat it every now and then.

Heineken got so popular because its taste is so bland and hence pretty neutral - if someone wants to quickly grab some beer for a party and doesn't know better he will simply "stick to the mainstream". It's hard to find out why Heineken got popular in the first place (perhaps the aforementioned universal appeal through blandness - a bit like McDonald's) BUT nowadays it's basically popular because it's popular - which isn't a paradox by the way. ^^

I'm also not of the opinion that you have to stick to some small underground breweries and/or immensely expensive stuff to get (quite) good beer - Hertog Jan in the Netherlands was acceptable to say the least (I checked that it's owned by the largest beer company in the world) and when I feel like drinking beer I usually get some Pilsner Urquell which comes from one of the largest breweries too.

Which ones do you like, Blackhawk?

I drank a lot of Jever and Warsteiner (I especially like the former) during a three-month stay in Germany a couple of years ago. Drank some Erdinger Weißbier for variety's sake and a shitload of Astra but only because it was so damn cheap in the bar at the dormitory I was staying at. ^^

but not because this beer has a much darker fuller taste for example.

Well that sounds brilliant but I think I'd rather just get a Heineken since it's a hell of a lot cheaper and is quite a bit easier to attain.

I don't want to have to go to Belgium every time I want a beer.

Hell... I don't want to go to Belgium at all.

average = not piss

You guys made it sound like its horrible

There are only a couple of beers I can stand more than 2-3 bottles from, and Heineken is not among them. So yeah its not the best, its rather watery but I just think the bubbles are a bit to overwhelming compared to the taste.

I just love how the logic is, beer X is crap, beer Y is great because of <Insert culture> <insert size of company> <insert some other social reason> but not because this beer has a much darker fuller taste for example.

True, but thats because its the thruth, because all (well most of) the arguments involve pointing out that some culture is better, smaller is better, more expensive is better bla bla bla. So yeah, why would I come to that conclusion!

I'm also not of the opinion that you have to stick to some small underground breweries and/or immensely expensive stuff to get (quite) good beer - Hertog Jan in the Netherlands was acceptable to say the least (I checked that it's owned by the largest beer company in the world) and when I feel like drinking beer I usually get some Pilsner Urquell which comes from one of the largest breweries too.