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Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 18 Jul 2009, 09:48 ]
Post subject:  New Monitor
My parents have decided to buy my old monitor so I will need a new one!

I have these choices (I don't care about TN panels):

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158542

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158382/

I'm confused as to why the Samsung is actually worth £200 (eventhough it's reduced to £160 here).

I don't want to spend more than that £160 on a screen because I don't actually have the money right now :P
Author:  sebas [ 18 Jul 2009, 09:49 ]
Post subject:  Re: New Monitor
You're 16 and your parents are buying stuff from you?!?!
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 18 Jul 2009, 09:58 ]
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xD My dad wants a new monitor so I just said I would sell him mine so I could get a newer one, since he doesn't need an awesome monitor (which of course I do, my computer will die under the strain of the resolution so I won't be able to use the resolution for games :P).

I'm wondering if the Samsung SM2333SW 23" is a TN Panel or not, because I don't see why it's price would be £200 RRP.

EDIT: The samsung is TN so I guess I'll just go with the BenQ because it seems better in other area's but I need opinions!
Author:  [SpA]Johnny [ 18 Jul 2009, 11:02 ]
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I think the BenQ one is better and because it has 24" :mrgreen:, HD movies will look great on it 8)
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 18 Jul 2009, 11:37 ]
Post subject:  Re: New Monitor
Yeah, I want to make sure it doesn't have a massive downside though :P Or see if I can get something better for the price, although it seems as if I can't. I want it to 1920x1080 though, for the reason that you said, HD movies will look great. Also I need one with a HDMI connector to make it future proof, incase I ever want to connect it to something else :3
Author:  [SpA]Blackhawk [ 18 Jul 2009, 11:54 ]
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Dunno what your current monitor is, but keep in mind that you also need a good gfx card to power FullHD resolution in games. ;)
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 18 Jul 2009, 12:05 ]
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[SpA]Blackhawk wrote:
Dunno what your current monitor is, but keep in mind that you also need a good gfx card to power FullHD resolution in games. ;)
Yeah I already covered that in an earlier post, normally I play games in a window anyway. I'm not getting the monitor to play games at 1920x1080, I'm just future proofing for when I do upgrade my computer. The only reason I'm upgrading this now is because I can easily get money for my current monitor, where-as later on it will be harder.

With TF2 I play it at 1440x900 in a borderless window, so I guess I will just keep those settings.
Author:  [SpA]Bucky [ 18 Jul 2009, 13:23 ]
Post subject:  Re: New Monitor
google is your friend m8

- Latencies:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/vie ... 042-7.html

http://reviews.cnet.com/1990-3118_7-6358806-1.html

(if you wanna go hardcore and try to better understand the response time BS companies come with, as measurement results are very subjective,go for this one :10 )
http://www.eldim.fr/library/eldim-publi ... ponse-time
As you can understand by reading this technical part on gray to gray measure times and other response times, looking at response times is actually pretty useless as manufacturers never exactly tell you how and what they measured.

- Reviews :

http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/

http://www.testfreaks.com/monitors/

- Professional review Benq monitor:

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/reviews/ ... 411hd.html

- Customer experiences Samsung monitor:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... -SA&tool=3


- Sorry, don't have this one in english...

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/productd ... iVmJfKYcg/

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/articles ... monitoren/
Author:  [SpA]moPP [ 18 Jul 2009, 13:57 ]
Post subject:  Re: New Monitor
I have Samsung 2333sw, and it's not awesome. I don't know how picky you are on black/white on monitors, but this one leaks
light through the backpanel, resulting in black being more grayish. You can't notice it in games, but you will notice it on movies.

The reason I bought it was because I wanted a big, cheap monitor that had a native resolution of 1920x1080. All I can say is you get what you pay for ;)
I don't watch movies on my pc though, so it's fine for my use.
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 18 Jul 2009, 13:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: New Monitor
Strange, i was just going to buy the SM2333sw, the review on testfreeks puts it at number 2 out of 2200 monitors :U I might just get it anyway.
Author:  [SpA]moPP [ 18 Jul 2009, 14:07 ]
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It's one of the best at that price! :p
Which is part of why I bought it.

I'm very picky when it comes to the quality of the picture though.
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 18 Jul 2009, 14:09 ]
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Have you got it on full brightness? That might be causing the leak, lowering the brightness might make it look better (just a thought).
Author:  [SpA]moPP [ 18 Jul 2009, 14:11 ]
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I've used a screen calibration program to get the best picture out of it!
Author:  [SpA]Frosty [ 18 Jul 2009, 14:47 ]
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http://www.ebuyer.com/product/164044 - Would get that one
Author:  [SpA]SonnyBlack [ 18 Jul 2009, 15:01 ]
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http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143280 <3
The second one u wanted has 5ms, which is baaaad. :mrgreen:
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 18 Jul 2009, 15:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: New Monitor
Sonny you realise that one is 2ms (GTG), I think you need to read up on Bucky's links ;) The BenQ one I posted was 2ms (GTG) but they also stated the 5ms. Also I want a 1920x1080 so that one can't do it for me :ugly:
[SpA]Frosty wrote:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/164044 - Would get that one
I think it's getting a bit out of my price range though :( £160 was pushing it. What are the advantages of it other than the very high dynamic contrast?
Author:  [SpA]SaintK [ 18 Jul 2009, 15:52 ]
Post subject:  Re: New Monitor
We saw a wonderfull IIyama LCD screen couple of day's back (bucky, u remember were?) 24" WS, something around or below 200 euros.
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 18 Jul 2009, 16:01 ]
Post subject:  Re: New Monitor
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/161554? I think I'm just going to go for the SM2333SW anyway, can't be bothered to spend more than £160 :ugly:
Author:  [SpA]Bucky [ 18 Jul 2009, 16:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: New Monitor
this one by any chance, saint?
Iiyama TFT Monitor E2407HDSV-B1 24"
http://www.4launch.nl/shop/#p-4-productid-075056
haven't checked reviews on it though.
Author:  [SpA]SaintK [ 18 Jul 2009, 17:08 ]
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ye i think so. I <3 IIyama.
Author:  CtrlAltDel [ 22 Jul 2009, 13:30 ]
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BenQ is great, they already replaced my monitor 3 times.
doubt u would have that problem with a samsung :roll:
Author:  DrMcMoist [ 22 Jul 2009, 20:10 ]
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[SpA]moPP wrote:
I've used a screen calibration program to get the best picture out of it!
What screen calibration program was that mate?
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 22 Jul 2009, 22:52 ]
Post subject:  Re: New Monitor
If it's the automatic one then it's most likely set it wrong, sometimes they work but in my experience fiddling with each separate setting works waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better.
Author:  [SpA]moPP [ 22 Jul 2009, 22:56 ]
Post subject:  Re: New Monitor
Natural Color Pro
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 23 Jul 2009, 00:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: New Monitor
[SpA]moPP wrote:
Natural Color Pro
Note down what your current settings are and have a fiddle, if you can't find a better setting then just reset to the ones you noted down, if you can be arsed of course :ugly:

They make a massive difference, you can make text look like crap if you want, took me ages to get my current monitor into decent settings where the text wasn't crap, now its pretty damn good.
Author:  xrs [ 20 Aug 2009, 02:09 ]
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I have a 22'' Dell (2209WA) - which has an e-IPS screen. I don't know what that means though.
It is a very good monitor, or at least in my opinion it is. Circa <£200
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 20 Aug 2009, 09:11 ]
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IPS has a very large viewing angle where-as TN will start to give weird colours/darker screen if you look at it from more than a certain angle (quite small in most TN panels I think), like 15-25 degree's?
Author:  xrs [ 20 Aug 2009, 10:48 ]
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I would say, that with the 2209wa, you sacrifice 1080p resolution for better picture quality. For me, 1600*1050 (or whatever it is) is more than adequate for me. Also there aren't that many inputs, (hdmi etc) so you can't connect 360's, ps3's to it etc. The picture quality is very good though.
Author:  [SpA]Blackhawk [ 20 Aug 2009, 11:14 ]
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http://www.google.de/search?q=ips+vs+tn
Author:  Lim-Dul [ 20 Aug 2009, 13:29 ]
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The main problem with TN panels for me is that they are unable to show the full color spectrum REGARDLESS of angles and in my opinion all this fake-color emulation/interpolation and whatnot doesn't offset this - I can see the difference quite clearly. They also have the lowest response time of all technologies but as years went by IPS and MVA panels caught up and the differences are so minuscule that they're basically irrelevant. However, the response time increases with higher brightness settings on MVA and *IPS panels and the maximum brightness is lower than that of TN ones if you're the kind of guy who likes a nuclear glow kind of display in his face. ;-)

TN panels are the cheapest and most often marketed to gamers but truth be told I would never buy one since movies and pictures look like shit on them and especially if you edit them (I don't, but still), then you should never ever settle for anything less than *-IPS panels (I have a MVA panel, which is a compromise and I don't edit movies and pictures anyway). I want my porn to look good. :-D
The people falling for the "ooh this monitor has 2 ms while the other has 5 ms response time" trap are the same ones that fall for the gazillion dpi mouse trap - response time isn't the only parameter that matters in a monitor, even for gamers, especially if ALL the technologies arrived at such low numbers these days. My first LCD monitor had a response time of like 30-40 ms for crying out loud! And this was back in the day when I was playing CS competitively...

Then, on the other hand, *-IPS and MVA panels are usually epically expensive and sometimes even unavailable in very large sizes... Usually the price is around 3x that of a TN panel or even more if you want a GOOD quality *-IPS/*VA display with low response times (e.g. not the usual 20 ms which indeed is a tad too much for gaming).
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