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PostPosted: 02 Aug 2009, 21:22 
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I've been searching on google but couldn't find it.

Has anyone ever attempted to calculate the estimated throughput of the humanbrain conferted to Gbits/sec?


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PostPosted: 02 Aug 2009, 21:27 
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I'm fairly sure it is caculated in number of float point operations per second. I remember such a number from the AI course.

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Here's one explaining MFLOPS and giving the numbers, if it's of any help
http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flo ... man-brain/

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PostPosted: 02 Aug 2009, 21:59 
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No idea about brain, will this do the job?
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<hypnosis> 1. The human cell contains 75 MB of genetic information
<hypnosis> 2. A sperm 37.5 MB.
<hypnosis> 3. In a milliliter, we have 100 million sperms.
<hypnosis> On average, one ejaculation releases 2.25 ml in 5 seconds.
<hypnosis> Using basic math we can compute the bandwidth of the human male penis as:
<hypnosis> (37.5MB x 100M x 2.25)/5 = (37,500,000 bytes/sperm x 100,000,000 sperm/ml x 2.25 ml) / 5 seconds = 1,687,500,000,000,000 bytes/sec = 1,687.5 TerraBytes/sec
<Jck_true> Sweet
<Jck_true> DoS attack!!!
<hypnosis> a bukkake would probably be a DDoS then
<hypnosis> 11 men would give 17 petabytes/sec
Source: http://qdb.us/262095


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PostPosted: 02 Aug 2009, 23:24 
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The average human retina has five million cone receptors on it. Since the cones are responsible for colour vision, you might suppose that this equates to a five megapixel equivilant for the human eye.

But there are also a hundred million rods that detect monochrome contrast, which plays an important role in the sharpness of the image you see. And even this 105MP is an underestimate because the eye is not a still camera.

You have two eyes (no kidding!) and they continually flick around to cover a much larger area than your field of view and the composite image is assembled in the brain - not unlike stitching together a panoramic photo. In good light, you can distinguish two fine lines if they are seperate by at least 0.6 arc-minutes (0.01.Degrees).

This gives an equivilant pixel size of 0.3 arc-minutes. If you take a conservative 120 degrees as your horizontal field of view and 60 degrees in the vertical plane, this translates to ...

576 megapixels of available image data.

Curiously - as a counterpoint to this - most people cannot distinguish the difference in quality between a 300dpi and a 150dpi photo when printed at 6x4", when viewed at normal viewing distances.

So: although the human eye and brain when combined can resolve massive amounts of data, for imaging purposes, 150dpi output is more than enough to provide adequate data for us to accept the result as photographic quality.

But don't forget that women have more cones and men have more rods - I kid you not.Therefore the ladies see colours brighter than gents but can't see as well when it gets dark.
A human eye has a resolution of 576 megapixels.

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PostPosted: 03 Aug 2009, 09:39 
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You guys think we're robots or what? The flaw lies in the fact that data in the human brain doesn't consist of bits , bytes, 1s and 0s, you can metaforically compare em to each other but there's still some facts unaccounted for. Same with comparing human sight with pixels.
Sebas already described an important step in measuring this stuff. Measuring consists of making such things operational, ergo, measurable. You can't really measure directly how long it takes someone to process a certain stimuli,that would be too expensive (it is done though, but mostly by the researchers having the resources and money), plus you can't measure everything, but generally you measure how long it takes someone to press a button after seeing a certain stimuli, or you measure this way if ppl react faster to negative stimuli vs positive stimuli, etc.

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PostPosted: 03 Aug 2009, 09:47 
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Because their all electric signals im convinced you could roughly calculate the estimates throughput and response times of the human brain and nerve systems. :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: 03 Aug 2009, 09:50 
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yes, that's possible, but you still would have an estimate how much bits that would theoretically be.

http://library.thinkquest.org/C001501/t ... ompare.htm

http://www.ualberta.ca/~chrisw/howfast.html

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login ... ision=-203

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PostPosted: 03 Aug 2009, 10:58 
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[SpA]sebas wrote:
I'm fairly sure it is caculated in number of float point operations per second. I remember such a number from the AI course.

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Here's one explaining MFLOPS and giving the numbers, if it's of any help
http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flo ... man-brain/
This one was intresting!


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PostPosted: 04 Aug 2009, 15:12 
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You can calculate a theoretical maximum speed:
N_i = 100 * 10^9 neurons in the brain (1)
i_hz = 3.0 average spike speed about 3-4.5 hz (2)
S_i = 7 * 10^3 Average number of synapses (3)

Computations = N_i * i_hz * S_i = 2.1 * 10 ^15

But for this number i made the assumption that every spike is pertaining in the calculation.
Which is false. The brain uses a form of population coding because of the massive amounts of 'noise' present in the brain. Both caused by input and physics. If i had to make a guesstimation I would divide this number trough 1000 to get to the basic operating system computations of the brain.

It is possible to then guesstimate the actual 'user' program load by taking the average spike speed of neurons when performing actual tasks (40 hz. , gamma waves) originating from the thalamus. (4)
this gamma wave is the most promising hypothesis for the binding/consciousness problem.

Combine this 40hz with the number of neurons pertaining in the actual active though and you get the user work load.
(you could calculate that from fmri data (measures energy usage) to actual neuron energy usage)
You then have to take in the population coding and synapse number etc. etc.
basically all number you see may be of by a factor of 10^3 or even more :D :D

Ow and a pictorial answer:
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The image is from kurzweil great read: http://singularity.com/

Ah.. and if you wonder... I study AI with a focus on neuron computation.... :D

(1) http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/Ani ... iye2.shtml

(2) http://books.google.nl/books?id=ffw6aBE ... q=&f=false

(3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron

(4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_wave

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PostPosted: 04 Aug 2009, 15:49 
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NoNoice fails with pr0-kn0wl3dg3! :roll:

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PostPosted: 04 Aug 2009, 16:53 
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Blackhawk fails in general :demm:


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PostPosted: 04 Aug 2009, 19:00 
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Studying AI sounds quite interesting. :o


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PostPosted: 04 Aug 2009, 19:29 
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it is :)

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:cry:

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PostPosted: 05 Aug 2009, 02:12 
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[SpA]Blackhawk wrote:
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dont be sad!!! you dont fail in general.. you are like my favorite techie!!! you always save me!

BLACKHAWK FOR PRESIDENT!!! <3

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Now it's getting worse... :cry:























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