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Author: | [SpA]Minimoose! [ 16 Sep 2009, 18:25 ] |
Post subject: | Muse - The Resistance |
Great album, check it out ![]() |
Author: | [SpA]cookye [ 16 Sep 2009, 18:40 ] |
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ive been meaning to |
Author: | [SpA]Scatterbrain [ 16 Sep 2009, 18:46 ] |
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muse are awful, this album is probably no exception. won't be checking out. sorry :< (if you're curious, here's a review, and this website is generally awesome so... http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?albumid=40324) |
Author: | [SpA]Migu [ 16 Sep 2009, 19:02 ] |
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Cheers Mini, didn't know they had a new album out. ![]() I'm buying it at the moment. ![]() |
Author: | Mint [ 16 Sep 2009, 19:03 ] |
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[SpA]Scatterbrain wrote: muse are awful, this album is probably no exception. won't be checking out.
how about putting some pineapples up your ass? Muse is great, it's been awarded "best live band" a couple of years in a row, it's magical...
sorry :< (if you're curious, here's a review, and this website is generally awesome so... http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?albumid=40324) |
Author: | [SpA]Migu [ 16 Sep 2009, 19:27 ] |
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Yeah, I've seen Muse live here in our small country, and I quite liked it. Only thing I missed was the interaction with the audience, they barely introduced themselves. ![]() Other than that, great show. |
Author: | DrMcMoist [ 16 Sep 2009, 19:58 ] |
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Haha. That is messed up. There was an advert for Muse on the TV just as I read Migu's post. It was a bit bizarre. |
Author: | Marmelada [ 16 Sep 2009, 20:04 ] |
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What Satterbrain said, and I do like pineapples. |
Author: | [SpA]Minimoose! [ 16 Sep 2009, 20:40 ] |
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Scatterbrain, reviews mean shit when it's for an art form imo ![]() |
Author: | [SpA]Jury [ 16 Sep 2009, 22:02 ] |
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I dont like Muse either but you know what they say: "Opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one and usually one is not interested in anothers.." ( keyword here is USUALLY) ![]() I mean, come on, some people even like country music.. |
Author: | [SpA]ArchLurker_Chad [ 16 Sep 2009, 23:01 ] |
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[SpA]Jury wrote: I mean, come on, some people even like country music..
:'(John Denver - Country roads It's simply awesome :p |
Author: | [SpA]Minimoose! [ 16 Sep 2009, 23:20 ] |
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Johnny Cash - Ring of Fire ![]() |
Author: | [SpA]ArchLurker_Chad [ 16 Sep 2009, 23:30 ] |
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Heed the words of the relatively small moose, they ring true :o |
Author: | [SpA]Jury [ 17 Sep 2009, 06:13 ] |
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I dont count Mr Cash's songs as country. I guess that is the exception that confirms the rule. I ment more in the lines of Garth Brooks.. |
Author: | [SpA]ArchLurker_Chad [ 17 Sep 2009, 08:16 ] |
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Never heard of him :p But yea, everyone got different tastes about music, movies and whatnot ^^ |
Author: | [SpA]cardboard [ 17 Sep 2009, 15:22 ] |
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[SpA]Minimoose! wrote: Scatterbrain, reviews mean shit when it's for an art form imo
Art and art critique live side by side and good critique can advance the form as much as a talented painter.![]() enthusiastic amatures writing reviews however... not needed. That said, I've never found interest in anything Muse released and having seen them 3 times have never understood why they were awarded live band of the year over and over. This however maybe subjective.. the first time I saw them was after their first album which wasn't really good live material anyway and after that its all really been stadium gigs which I detest anyway... still don't like their albums though. |
Author: | [SpA]Scatterbrain [ 17 Sep 2009, 17:00 ] |
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[SpA]cardboard wrote: enthusiastic amatures writing reviews however... not needed.
really? some of the reviews over there are the best I've read. try this one -http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?albumid=185 |
Author: | [SpA]cardboard [ 17 Sep 2009, 18:47 ] |
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[SpA]Scatterbrain wrote: [SpA]cardboard wrote: enthusiastic amatures writing reviews however... not needed.
really? some of the reviews over there are the best I've read. try this one -http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?albumid=185 However as a review it told me nothing, I'd have a hard job understanding what knid of music Pink Floyd make from that. As critique it lacked any anaylisis of the sound the key, the tempo, no understanding of music theory at bets this can be called a critique of theme and lyrics. This is endemic in Modern music journalism where attention to the precepts of critical thinking have been replaced by comment on style, rigid adherance to genre and subjectivity. Quote: One of the greatest albums of all time – not only a musical accomplishment to the highest degree, Animals is also a scathing criticism of the system that spawned it.
This is the lead in to that review, no justification is offered for the musical acomplishment, no comparison draw to other peaks of acheivement in rock let alone in music at all. It simply cannot be calle critique. The review ends with a similar statement:Quote: A musical masterpiece, a literary work of genius, and a political tour de force
Three intensley subjective statements made before a single full stop is reached. While I mentioned before the lacking of musical evidence to back up the statments made here the idea that this is a Literary work of genius swing from subjective to outright offensive. Especially considering that the analysis of the work presented here concentrates so heavily on the political and swerves away from the albums deeply engraind attack on religous doctrine. One of the quotes used attacks bot the capatalist and religous docotorines so openly its hard to see how the refeerances weren't noticed. I'll stop because honestly had this been presented as an analysis of the political themes of animals I'd love it as its presented to me as a review of an album or at worst critique of that album, I can't take it seriously at all.I could easily go so far to say in the history of Rock-and-Roll there have been no real critics of the form, but I doubt thats true I just havent read any. A good critic understands the form and structure of the thing they critique. To stay somewhat on a theme; a political critique of "Animal Farm" should offer me politcal insight to the novels characters and motivations and littery critique should give me a greater understanding of the authors technique and the craftsmanship of a writer as well as the conciets of litrature and structure of the story. Thats not to say the comment on the politic of "Animal Farm" could not be contained within a littery critique but it should never be its main purpose. Music criticism should be doing the same. For classical, especially critique written before 1960, it did for a long time, now hoever it does not. Until we see the kind of critical writing that art, architecture and litrature recieves music predominatly rock will always just be review and journalism |
Author: | [SpA]Minimoose! [ 17 Sep 2009, 19:19 ] |
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[SpA]cardboard wrote: [SpA]Minimoose! wrote: Scatterbrain, reviews mean shit when it's for an art form imo
Art and art critique live side by side and good critique can advance the form as much as a talented painter.![]() ![]() I would much rather decide whether I dislike something, rather than letting someone else lead me into disliking something. Reviews are useful, but if you let one review form your whole opinion on something then it's just silly, even if the critique is good. |
Author: | [SpA]cardboard [ 17 Sep 2009, 19:38 ] |
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[SpA]Minimoose! wrote: [SpA]cardboard wrote: Art and art critique live side by side and good critique can advance the form as much as a talented painter. ![]() I would much rather decide whether I dislike something, rather than letting someone else lead me into disliking something. Reviews are useful, but if you let one review form your whole opinion on something then it's just silly, even if the critique is good. So no not just my opinion, the opinion of Aristotle, the opinion of Kant, the opinion of Art history and even of historians them selves. Oh and if we are talking about review which in this case we are, no you shouldnt trust just one review. You're buying based on you tastes in which case I suggest peer review rather than critique as critique as I've said should not be subjective to the tastes of the critic. |
Author: | DrMcMoist [ 17 Sep 2009, 19:49 ] |
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The thing is though, it's a review for an album that has been out for over three decades AND has garnered mucho critical acclaim in it's time. Personally Animals isn't my favourite album from 'The Floyd's' back catalogue but I can certainly appreciate it for the quality piece of work it so clearly is. When it all comes down to it though, I think a review for it at this stage in the game would always be gushy rather than actually informative. It's clearly written by a swooning fan of the genre who, I'm guessing, pretty much assumes that anybody reading the review simply wants to reiterate that it is, in fact, the dog's wagglies. Which makes sense really. I doubt anybody would be reading this review in order to ascertain whether they want to nip down to HMV to part with their hard earned scratch. I do agree with you in the respect that reviews should really compare the subject with similar genre leaders; It's only good practice. However, for this particular review, I think it's just about sounding off about how awesome they think Pink Floyd are. And I agree. Pink Floyd are fucking awesome. If it was a review for Muse's new album though, I'd expect a little more comparison and break down of style, and less brown nosery. |
Author: | [SpA]Minimoose! [ 17 Sep 2009, 20:10 ] |
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[SpA]cardboard wrote: [SpA]Minimoose! wrote: In your opinion ![]() I would much rather decide whether I dislike something, rather than letting someone else lead me into disliking something. Reviews are useful, but if you let one review form your whole opinion on something then it's just silly, even if the critique is good. So no not just my opinion, the opinion of Aristotle, the opinion of Kant, the opinion of Art history and even of historians them selves. Oh and if we are talking about review which in this case we are, no you shouldnt trust just one review. You're buying based on you tastes in which case I suggest peer review rather than critique as critique as I've said should not be subjective to the tastes of the critic. ![]() |
Author: | DrMcMoist [ 17 Sep 2009, 20:19 ] |
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[SpA]Minimoose! wrote:
I was talking about scatterbrains dismissal due to that one review, not your opinion or the opinion of great philosophers
Don't forget the greatest thinker of modern times; Philosoraptor.![]() ![]() |
Author: | [SpA]cardboard [ 17 Sep 2009, 20:58 ] |
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[SpA]Minimoose! wrote:
In your opinion
Then I recant. Though its more difficult to follow if you quote me and abuse scatter :p![]() I was talking about scatterbrains dismissal due to that one review, not your opinion or the opinion of great philosophers ![]() [SpA]DrMcMoist wrote: The thing is though, it's a review for an album that has been out for over three decades AND has garnered mucho critical acclaim in it's time. Personally Animals isn't my favourite album from 'The Floyd's' back catalogue but I can certainly appreciate it for the quality piece of work it so clearly is. When it all comes down to it though, I think a review for it at this stage in the game would always be gushy rather than actually informative. It's clearly written by a swooning fan of the genre who, I'm guessing, pretty much assumes that anybody reading the review simply wants to reiterate that it is, in fact, the dog's wagglies.
That assumes that no-one new would be coming to the genre. Also my point is that critique should be something more that, review aspires to be critique and therefore deserves a better standard than what is given. Amatures are prone to this type of sentiment but critique can remain fresh otherwise there would be no more critical study of the Bronte's, Milton or Shakespeare, they've been around for a tad over 50 years and the critical analysis still rolls in.Which makes sense really. I doubt anybody would be reading this review in order to ascertain whether they want to nip down to HMV to part with their hard earned scratch. I do agree with you in the respect that reviews should really compare the subject with similar genre leaders; It's only good practice. However, for this particular review, I think it's just about sounding off about how awesome they think Pink Floyd are. And I agree. Pink Floyd are fucking awesome. If it was a review for Muse's new album though, I'd expect a little more comparison and break down of style, and less brown nosery. Granted I'd be hiring hit men if I'd read that about a new album. |
Author: | [SpA]Minimoose! [ 17 Sep 2009, 21:26 ] |
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Yeah, i just couldnt be bothered to quote it, or make any reference to what i was talking about ![]() |
Author: | [SpA]Scatterbrain [ 17 Sep 2009, 21:58 ] |
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whehehe whoo... ok, I'm way out of my depth here so making a formulated reply would be a bit silly. but very interesting and enjoyable discussion, I gotta say. and no, I'm not basing my entire opinions of the album on just that review; also from past experiences with muse, general musical banter, that sort of thing. and also making vaguely educated assumptions. |
Author: | [SpA]cardboard [ 17 Sep 2009, 22:04 ] |
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The material point then still stands, There is no modern music criticism and Muse are fucking awful. ![]() |
Author: | [SpA]Scatterbrain [ 17 Sep 2009, 22:14 ] |
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[SpA]cardboard wrote: There is no modern music criticism
so hey i herd of dis great music site called pitchfrok its pretty rad and not preetenshush at all you guys shoud check it out some time srsly D;(but I guess pitchfork is fairly love it or hate it too) |
Author: | [SpA]cardboard [ 17 Sep 2009, 22:30 ] |
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[SpA]Scatterbrain wrote: [SpA]cardboard wrote: There is no modern music criticism
so hey i herd of dis great music site called pitchfrok its pretty rad and not preetenshush at all you guys shoud check it out some time srsly D;(but I guess pitchfork is fairly love it or hate it too) As a side rant why the hell we still call it Indie when its now the most commercial style of music there is and most of the artists are on the majors is incomprehesible. |
Author: | Greasy_greabo [ 18 Sep 2009, 19:48 ] |
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I really like muse, they are balls to the wall, batshit insane and their music pretty much throws out emotion and energy. However the new album, so far from listening to it, fails to deliver... A few gems, like uprising, United states of Eurasia/collateral damage, resistance bring out some pretty ace musical influences, like queen, churn out intense musical symphonies like the piano melodies etc blah ti far. Some brilliant guitar work, some brilliant orchestration. But the rest? Well its pretty mild in comparison to any other muse work... I always have to compare an album to Origin of symmetry. It was pretty much complete. Since then we got lots of gems, but no album has covered it all. And I think its muses fault. They put the bar so high, every song feels like it should be a masterpeice, a song with no equal, intense piano interludes, guitar solos which make you hang off the edge of your pants and bass beats which constantly keep your head moving. This album alot of the songs arent up to that standard, they are a bit predictable ( which is just not good muse ). Probably due to lack of a producer, the band seems to have gone mental on about 3 songs, then thought "fuck we need to have some stock songs incase these dont work"... and stock songs are just pretty shite.. Next album better be intense energy driven insane instrumental monsters which take unpredictable turns at every step. Then I may be happy. Then again if this wasnt made by muse it would probably be heralded as a masterpeice... we just expect more... ![]() |
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