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Author:  DrMcMoist [ 26 Dec 2009, 12:36 ]
Post subject:  Good Idea To Be Honest.
Anthrax is killing Junkies in Glasgow.

Whoever had that brainwave needs to get the key to the city or some shit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/gla ... 429032.stm

I like this statement from Captain Fucking Obvious;

"Drug injecting is extremely risky and dangerous. The possible presence of a batch of heroin contaminated with anthrax makes drug injecting even riskier and even more dangerous."

'Hey, do you wanna inject some smack?'
'Uh... No'
'You sure? It's got Anthrax in it'
' :| '
Author:  ZxS [ 30 Dec 2009, 12:44 ]
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I guess zat waz not medicine
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 30 Dec 2009, 15:00 ]
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:ugly:
Author:  [SpA]Relentless [ 30 Dec 2009, 18:37 ]
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Quote:
Whoever had that brainwave needs to get the key to the city or some shit.
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Author:  [SpA]SaintK [ 30 Dec 2009, 18:41 ]
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[SpA]Relentless wrote:
Quote:
Whoever had that brainwave needs to get the key to the city or some shit.
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I found it rather amusing :mrgreen:
Author:  DrMcMoist [ 30 Dec 2009, 18:46 ]
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[SpA]Relentless wrote:
Quote:
Whoever had that brainwave needs to get the key to the city or some shit.
Not even slightly funny Image
Who said I was trying to be funny?

I literally believe that wiping out heroin addicts should be a commendable feat. Glasgow City Council should take the initiative, and release Heroin tainted with Anthrax into mass circulation.
Author:  [SpA]Relentless [ 30 Dec 2009, 18:57 ]
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[SpA]DrMcMoist wrote:
[SpA]Relentless wrote:

Not even slightly funny Image
Who said I was trying to be funny?

I literally believe that wiping out heroin addicts should be a commendable feat. Glasgow City Council should take the initiative, and release Heroin tainted with Anthrax into mass circulation.
No, the problem aren't the addics but rather the dealers. Wipe out the dealers -> you got no addics.

What many people fail too see is that being addicted to drugs (or anything else) is an actual disease. Would you say "Kill everyone that's got the flu"?
Author:  DrMcMoist [ 30 Dec 2009, 19:15 ]
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Sweet Jesus.

People that catch the flu don't willingly inject it into themselves. They also don't become addicted to the flu and need regular fixes of it in order to function as a human being. Not to mention the desperation and depravity that go hand in hand with Heroin abuse, aren't usually associated with the flu. I can't remember the last time I heard of somebody sucking off a guy just to get money for their next hit of Benylin.

Honestly, you make yourself look like such an idiot when you spew out that tired old crap Relentless. It is not a disease! I'm not addicted to smack. And there's a very good reason for this. It's not cause I eat my greens and get regular exercise. It's cause I never stuck a fucking needle in my arm with a substance I KNOW is highly addictive!

Alcoholism, I could maybe accept as a disease. Fair enough, some people just have addictive personalities and it takes them over. For the most part though, people go out for a drink, they wake up in the morning feeling shitty, but all is well. Heroin on the other hand, is something that EVERYBODY knows is addictive. It's not a case of 'I might get addicted if I take it, but then again, I might not' It's fucking addictive. School kids know it's addictive. That's the way it's designed!

So no Relentless, I won't blame the drug dealers. I'm sure they're all bad men, but they don't break into good, hard working citizens homes and shoot them up until they have a dependency, and therefore must become customers. Addicts were once people with free will, and yet they went down that road.

That's not disease, it's weakness and stupidity. And frankly, I wouldn't insult people who have a genuine illness, by lumping them in with these scum.
Author:  [SpA]MrOrange [ 30 Dec 2009, 19:17 ]
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Well, usually I don't go up to people that have the flu and snog them to (here comes the key word) voluntarily get it.

To get addicted you always have to take a first hit.
To be honest, I don't mind people being addicted, I just mind them doing petty crimes to fund their next hit.

You are right about the fact that you have to tackle the dealers to decrease the number of addicts, but the ones who are already addicted won't just quit as soon as their dealer gets busted.

Let's just say it's a complicated issue on which one can discuss endlessly.

p.s. The anthrax-lacing thing made me grin slightly while I read the article.

Edit: McMoist beat me to the punch and pretty much stated most of my arguments, albeit in a slightly more direct manner.
Author:  [SpA]Relentless [ 30 Dec 2009, 19:43 ]
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So you say you could accept alcoholism as an disease because alcohol is legal but you wouldnt say heroin-ism (is there even such a word?) isnt cause heroin is not? Correct me if I misunderstood you there.

Of course, I do agree with you that it's incredibly stupid to try out drugs this heavy but still I do not blame these people cause everyone makes a mistake once in a while and that's okay as long as you don't repeat them. The problem with heroin is, you do not get a chance to retrieve that error anymore. You can't just say "Okay, tomorrow I won't be addicted to heroin anymore" - just like you can't say "I won't have flu tomorrow anymore" on purpose.

That's why I find it rather harsh to say these people should be killed with what's sadly most important in their life. Although I do know that it's almost impossible to help them either unless they really want to get help.

Also, if you say you don't blame drug dealers cause they probably won't break into your house, I do feel sorry for you. After all, they "create" all these junkies that can possibly steal stuff from you or shoot you up. It's like saying "I don't blame Al Kaida, only the suicide terrorists themselves", but of course that's another story.

And congratulations for waking up the social me. Now I'm stuck in this conversation because I cannot shut the fuck up for the love of god.
Author:  DrMcMoist [ 30 Dec 2009, 20:04 ]
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No, I can accept Alcoholism as an addiction because alcohol isn't designed and manufactured with the sole purpose of being addictive. People can drink regularly their whole lives without it seriously affecting relationships and their mental state. It can be addictive because of it's properties. That's a given. But you'll never pick up a bottle of Vodka and read on the label 'Warning; Alcohol Can Be Addictive'. It's always a possibility, it would be naive to ignore that fact, but it simply doesn't affect everybody.

I can not excuse Heroin addiction because as a person, you are educated to a high enough level as a CHILD that it is incredibly dangerous and highly addictive. I doubt very much that if a person is in a position where they have the choice of whether or not they want to inject, that they are ignorant to the long term effects of the drug. They know they will get addicted through regular usage. They KNOW this! I could ask my 9 year old Cousin about this and she would be able to tell me that it's addictive.

I dunno though, maybe we just live in different worlds.

Oh, and you feel sorry for me? Really? Have you ever had a syringe held up to your face before? Well it's happened to me. So according to you Relentless, what should my reaction have been? Should I have offered my condolences about the poor man's illness that is clearly affecting his ability not to rob people at needle point? Or should I have asked him directions to his dealers house so I could give him a stern scolding over turning that nice man into a junkie?

So you feel sorry for me and you feel sorry for the Junkies eh?

Well ain't you just a big ole' bag of love and understanding? Why don't you come live over here for a while and see how you feel then.
Author:  [SpA]Relentless [ 30 Dec 2009, 20:16 ]
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No, I've never been threatened by a junkie and I'm feel sorry for you if it happened to you.

I admit you bring up some very good points. All I want to say is just that it's not right to blame everything on the junkies, cause it's clearly not alone their fault. And killing someone for whatever he did or not isn't something which should be tolerated or even supported. We're not living in the Middle Ages anymore.
Author:  DrMcMoist [ 30 Dec 2009, 20:31 ]
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Screw it. I don't feel like being particularly rational or humane.

Kill em' all, that's what I say.
Author:  [SpA]Relentless [ 30 Dec 2009, 20:34 ]
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It's okay, McMoist. It's not like I'm going to hate you for it. At least not any more :26
Author:  DrMcMoist [ 30 Dec 2009, 20:37 ]
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It's cool, I don't give a toss what you think anyway.

You posted, I replied.

I wasn't trying to win your approval.
Author:  sebas [ 31 Dec 2009, 16:39 ]
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With the amount of media heroin and other badass drugs have been given these past decades there's no way you can not blame the addicts. Heroin addiction isn't a disease, it's a decission.Yes, there may be social and emotional factors pushing the needle in but it's still a decission.
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 31 Dec 2009, 16:43 ]
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Well, certainly for the majority of addicts I would agree. Also it is possible to quit, since I know an ex-addict (who incidentally is very well off now).
Author:  Gainy [ 02 Jan 2010, 03:28 ]
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Heroin addicts are responsible for their actions but they should be pitied not blamed. Drug abuse is a cry for help. Dealers are not the problem and heroin is not the problem; the problem will be completely subjective. Its a shame these people died
Author:  [SpA]YellowGoudvis [ 05 Jan 2010, 14:27 ]
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[SpA]sebas wrote:
With the amount of media heroin and other badass drugs have been given these past decades there's no way you can not blame the addicts. Heroin addiction isn't a disease, it's a decission.Yes, there may be social and emotional factors pushing the needle in but it's still a decission.
Let me first say a decision can lead to a disease;

Addiction is a disease, if your addicted to something and become depending to it mentaly and physecly (sorry bad spelling) it has become an disease. Your so depended on it you cant live without it *yeah you can literly die if you dont score your hits (note the medicine you need to take to get of it), so yeah its a mental disease. So its the first step you take, and if you slip away you are screwed.

Besides that i agree with relentless, you shouldnt want to kill drug addict in fact I think you never should wish someone the dead. As far for whos to blame, I think you can blame the whole society, every part to a certain level ofcourse.
Author:  [SpA]Bucky [ 05 Jan 2010, 14:39 ]
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If you kill all the junkies, what would happen with all the spa ppl? We woulld be cut off in half and you'd be left with the sane and sober :|
(and yes you alki addicts, you're gonna get a bullet as well in the hypothetical case described above)
Author:  Lim-Dul [ 05 Jan 2010, 23:35 ]
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[SpA]Bucky wrote:
If you kill all the junkies, what would happen with all the spa ppl? We woulld be cut off in half and you'd be left with the sane and sober :|
(and yes you alki addicts, you're gonna get a bullet as well in the hypothetical case described above)
Cut in half? ONLY HALF? He'd be left with the sane and sober? Who would he be left with then? I can't think of a single person. :-P
Author:  [SpA]Relentless [ 06 Jan 2010, 18:04 ]
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[SpA]Lim-Dul wrote:
[SpA]Bucky wrote:
If you kill all the junkies, what would happen with all the spa ppl? We woulld be cut off in half and you'd be left with the sane and sober :|
(and yes you alki addicts, you're gonna get a bullet as well in the hypothetical case described above)
Cut in half? ONLY HALF? He'd be left with the sane and sober? Who would he be left with then? I can't think of a single person. :-P
Me you dopehead.
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