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Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 17 Jul 2010, 14:55 ] |
Post subject: | Scramble |
It doesn't work, more often than not it will make the teams worse, or all SpA. Plus it seems to only scramble at the most bizarre moments. After 2 round of getting walked over on labor and no scramble; however the other day, we managed to get all the way through thundermountain, then it scrambled?! wtf, hang on a minute, you haven't even seen the other team attack yet and you are scrambling?!! It clearly doesn't do what we want it too. And why is it even here? |
Author: | [SpA]Scatterbrain [ 17 Jul 2010, 15:11 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
scrambler is starting to get annoying, yes. I can kinda see it's usefulness when there isn't an admin about, but for the times that there are (more often than not, usually), it's better to only have the admin decide when and when not to scramble. for us, the !scramble feature is very very useful, so i would like that kept. as for autoscramble, 90 percent of the time it's too annoying to justify having around imo, given that in the bigger games where it is more useful then there is an admin around 90 percent of the time to deal with it him/hersself. |
Author: | [SpA]Censor3000 [ 17 Jul 2010, 15:14 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
[SpA]ProtectMyBalls wrote: It doesn't work, more often than not it will make the teams worse, or all SpA. Plus it seems to only scramble at the most bizarre moments. After 2 round of getting walked over on labor and no scramble; however the other day, we managed to get all the way through thundermountain, then it scrambled?! wtf, hang on a minute, you haven't even seen the other team attack yet and you are scrambling?!!
True man, I've found that sometimes too.It clearly doesn't do what we want it too. And why is it even here? I think it is a good idea as it can split up people stacking sometimes, but most of the time it does make it worse like you said lol To beat the stacking, it would be cool to have a way where you can't choose a team, the only option is for "Random" |
Author: | [SpA]Scatterbrain [ 17 Jul 2010, 15:16 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
[SpA]Censor3000 wrote:
To beat the stacking, it would be cool to have a way where you can't choose a team, the only option is for "Random"
this is possible. something like sv_forcerandom_1personally i always go random anyway, but not sure if restricting people from being on the same team as their friends all the time is such a good idea however. it would help though, yeah. |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 17 Jul 2010, 15:19 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
Don't get me wrong im all for scramble if it works and the fact that it will help shut certain people up is an amazing side note; however, thought id bring up the fact that it doesn't aide the game in the slightest. |
Author: | [SpA]Bucky [ 17 Jul 2010, 16:18 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
Most of our admins don't do enough to fix unbalanced teams. There are a few ppl that never split themselves up. Next to that, there were loads of times that servers were filled with admins, scores of 5-0 and one team clearly getting pwned and none of the admins around did do anything about it and this went on for hours. I don't like how the autobalance is set up atm , but at least it's scrambling. I don't see the majority of our admins having the willpower to actually do something about scrambling. This game is already here for a few years and already for a few years most admins are just ignoring major unbalanced team problems. Saint has posted the code of the team scrambler in the members section, everyone in here giving his two cents about the team balancer could put his or hers effort in taking a look in the code for the scrambler and seeing where it could be adjusted! Thx |
Author: | DrMcMoist [ 17 Jul 2010, 17:04 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
I'd like to know what Bartg has to say about it. |
Author: | Bartg [ 17 Jul 2010, 17:29 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
I only noticed, that scramble plugin takes away and puts all medics in one team ![]() |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 17 Jul 2010, 19:40 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
Bucky, im not saying the need for a scramble plugin is not there; just that at the moment its not working the way it should. I'm not a coder so i can't make adjustments, but can someone please take a look. It happened on a payload map AGAIN today, blue team hadn't even finished and we are getting moved around, then it went stale. Also; sort of off topic but the AFK manager seems to kick in too quick, i cant even send a quick message on steam without being kicked to spectator. |
Author: | [SpA]Voegelchen [ 17 Jul 2010, 20:15 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
Just move out of the spawn. The timing is just very tight in it. Outside you can afk for one or two minutes. |
Author: | [SpA]BAM [ 17 Jul 2010, 20:40 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
..and get stabbed ![]() |
Author: | [SpA]Voegelchen [ 17 Jul 2010, 21:13 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
Says the statswhore who is rank 66 :> ![]() |
Author: | Phenomenon [ 17 Jul 2010, 21:18 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
Well, the scramble plugin gets updated alot - so maybe there is some thingy admins need to set proberly? http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=89136 |
Author: | [SpA]Bucky [ 17 Jul 2010, 21:26 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
It is posted in the members section and you don't need to be a coder for it. You just have to read it and think while reading, putting effort in it ![]() |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 17 Jul 2010, 21:27 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
so why wasnt this done before? |
Author: | [SpA]SaintK [ 17 Jul 2010, 21:27 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
I've disabled the plugin untill someone can figure out the proper settings for it, cause i am clueless. |
Author: | [SpA]SaintK [ 17 Jul 2010, 21:32 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
This is the default CFG, maybe you lot can cook something up together... Code:
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Author: | [SpA]SaintK [ 17 Jul 2010, 21:55 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
Extra note: We can make a config per map, rather than a general config. |
Author: | [SpA]Bucky [ 17 Jul 2010, 21:55 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
it's also possible to give up different configs per map type, so a different config for CP maps and PL maps, etc. So, is anyone gonna look into this at all? |
Author: | dckjns [ 17 Jul 2010, 22:05 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
Quote: // How many of the top players to protect on each team from autobalance.
why this looks intensely dumb
gs_ab_protect "5" |
Author: | [SpA]SaintK [ 17 Jul 2010, 22:14 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
m3n wrote: Quote: // How many of the top players to protect on each team from autobalance.
why this looks intensely dumbgs_ab_protect "5" |
Author: | annarack [ 17 Jul 2010, 22:55 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
I'll look into it. I'll read it properly tomorrow, so any suggestions make them known here ![]() |
Author: | ProtectMyBalls [ 18 Jul 2010, 00:36 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
dont scramble payload maps... ![]() |
Author: | [SpA]Voegelchen [ 18 Jul 2010, 00:49 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
Can we disallow scramble and autobalancing engineers? Loosing a complete sentry nest just because the engi got switched can break one team the neck. |
Author: | TParis [ 18 Jul 2010, 15:23 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
Agreed. |
Author: | annarack [ 18 Jul 2010, 15:34 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
[SpA]ProtectMyBalls wrote: dont scramble payload maps...
Probably have to just disable it separately as Bucky says here:
![]() [SpA]Bucky wrote: it's also possible to give up different configs per map type
so we can just disable it for the payload maps[SpA]Voegelchen wrote: Can we disallow scramble and autobalancing engineers? Loosing a complete sentry nest just because the engi got switched can break one team the neck.
Yes this is possibleQuestions: Do you want to have the ability to vote for a scramble instead of scrambling at the end of the round? How do you want the scramble to work: Scramble by player score? Scramble by score per minute? Scramble by Kill-Death Ratios? Or Scramble by swapping the top players on the team? If you choose this option how many of the top players do you want to get scrambled? Bearing in mind the more you do the less it will be effective. |
Author: | Bartg [ 18 Jul 2010, 15:49 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
From what I've experienced scramble votes fail 90% of times, so unless you give a scramble vote very low success rate it wont work as it should. |
Author: | annarack [ 18 Jul 2010, 16:12 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
So do you recommend it is all done automatically and no-one gets to vote? |
Author: | Bartg [ 18 Jul 2010, 17:12 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
Imho scramble on payload an dustbowl is very annoying, cause sometimes you can only attack/defend lets say 3 times in a row. It should be automatic on 5cp and ctf maps, but we have to work good settings, maybe include psychostats or sth ? |
Author: | ditch [ 18 Jul 2010, 17:29 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Scramble |
Bartg wrote: maybe include psychostats or sth ?
never ever use the bad word again! ![]() p.s.: we did a techno viking smiley for these situations |
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