Heres a thought. Don't use the tools. If you can't control yourself we can demote you to op so you have the purity of the game.

We have the tools because we have earned them.

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I don't see any harm in Lim helping here and there with large projects, and I also understand that Trustee's are a respected and trusted rank. Having said that, I don't believe they should have access to it. The cuboid plugin was an Anti-Griefing tool, which is not what its being used for.
If trustee's have it, and are using it the way that i wasn't intended then I believe it should be available for member+.

Heres a thought. Don't use the tools. If you can't control yourself we can demote you to op so you have the purity of the game.

We have the tools because we have earned them.

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Teleporting in some form is a must until minecarts work fully, then we can have THAT discussion.

I'm only using the stick because there seems to be a bug with items not disappearing when mined, or maybe that's just lag. Either way, the stick never fails.

The root question here is the same as the topic I posted about the SMP atmosphere. Are we shooting for hardcore survivor, or freebuild with mining?
Was that your intent when you installed it? Oh wait.

If Lim has no problem with trustees doing quick cuboids for people when asked, its not just an anti-grief tool.

And sennec, if you have a problem with the upper levels of the server, why post it in the public forum?

I don't see any harm in Lim helping here and there with large projects, and I also understand that Trustee's are a respected and trusted rank. Having said that, I don't believe they should have access to it. The cuboid plugin was an Anti-Griefing tool, which is not what its being used for.
If trustee's have it, and are using it the way that i wasn't intended then I believe it should be available for member+.

So you find it ok to use them? I don't have the tools, I'm just a member on smp. But I don't think anyone should have them. Not in a realistic game, there's freebuild if you just want to build things really fast. That's not what smp is for imo.

So you find it ok to use them? I don't have the tools, I'm just a member on smp. But I don't think anyone should have them. Not in a realistic game, there's freebuild if you just want to build things really fast. That's not what smp is for imo.

The reasons we have it is because its one of the things we earned by being trusted. Similar to the magic stick being EARNED by supop by being trusted enough to be supop. Lim has since said that there is nothing wrong with this cuboid plugin and can be used at trustee discretion. If they want to "ruin" their own experience then let them. It is exactly the same as a trader being promoted to the member rank and EARNING the use of /tp.

Sennec, if you dont like them, you dont have to use them. That makes YOUR experience more fun, and the people who like the commands still have fun as well. I dont see why what they do bothers you.

How? Cuboid is a rare occurance anyway. I have used it 3 times. 1 to fill a hole, 1 to clean a griefed to shit building and one because I wanted to. Fuck...I might as well stop playing cause the experience is so ruined.

Supops and trustees have these tools for a reason. You aren't one so fair enough, you can't appreciate the reasons, but no you can't petition to take them away from us. Once we have earned the right and the responsibility, we have also earned the PRIVLEDGE to use these. This is not a decision for you to make.

How? Cuboid is a rare occurance anyway. I have used it 3 times. 1 to fill a hole, 1 to clean a griefed to shit building and one because I wanted to. Fuck...I might as well stop playing cause the experience is so ruined.

Supops and trustees have these tools for a reason. You aren't one so fair enough, you can't appreciate the reasons, but no you can't petition to take them away from us. Once we have earned the right and the responsibility, we have also earned the PRIVLEDGE to use these. This is not a decision for you to make.

He is, however allowed to voice his opinion and you should respect that, and you can ''appreciate'' the reasons no matter what rank you are. Your beliefs/opinions don't suddenly change when you're a supop.
It would be good, if there could be some limitations on the cuboid.
As for the magic stick, I still believe that member+ should be allowed access to it, it was put in place for anti-griefing purposes, and now its being used for mining.

Fucking hell. Don't turn it into one of THESE arguments again. My opinion IS that. His opinion IS that. I DISAGREE with his opinion for the reasons I HAVE STATED, and I MADE A CONCLUSION. We have all been to school, and we all know that is how an argument works.

The magic stick can be used for mining because we have EARNED the PRIVLEDGE to use it. The stick grants the almighty power to beat the block lag. And hell no, Pandorum is mega right, it is without a doubt not a member tool.

The stick is not meant for member+. With it you can take ANYTHING, including bedrock, flowing water, flowing lava, ANYTHING! So no, it shouldn't be used for member+. If it's a "griefing tool" it doesn't matter, members aren't supposed to look griefers, we have ops+ for that.

Like I said, don't use the tools and bingo, problem solved.

Fucking hell. Don't turn it into one of THESE arguments again. My opinion IS that. His opinion IS that. I DISAGREE with his opinion for the reasons I HAVE STATED, and I MADE A CONCLUSION. We have all been to school, and we all know that is how an argument works.

The magic stick can be used for mining because we have EARNED the PRIVLEDGE to use it. The stick grants the almighty power to beat the block lag. And hell no, Pandorum is mega right, it is without a doubt not a member tool.

So you're saying supops are griefing with the stick, right? Because that's what is going to happen if we let it to anyone.

Hm I'm not sure about the magic stick, it can be really laborious hacking away at stone for hours, and then you see a supop going through it like butter with their stick. Damn stick.

Despite that, my opinion on all the plugins including the stick, runes, teleporters, time changes is this:
While health and mobs don't work, there is barely an element of survival involved, there's no point in making things difficult for ourselves. Travel may aswell stay convienient until minecarts work efficiently, though staff must be able to use tp for possible grief. Night is absolutley totally pointless until we have mobs, all it does is make things less visable and lag people(me) to shit, so we may aswell keep it day.

When smp is working as a game, then we can start taking away luxuries, because there's no point making things tedious without adversaries or challenges. I'd like to see things like the magic stick and warps go when that happens. (in 2036)