Sounds good to me, may suggest though reporting back after 1 week of live testing, just because i really dont want to go through that long process of inviting people back again and creating fill teams again if there are issues that drive away the player base.

Look forward to seeing the proposed solution

lol, i miss wrote my post, i meant we would report back in a week of implementation. Only because, if they are significant changes, then it would be beneficial for all that any issues are reported ASAP, to ensure the player base is sustained.

Sounds good to me balls, though I'm not sure about shortening dustbowl, when attacking, things get pretty rough paticularly when teams need a scramble, blue just has to hide in the spawn but yeah after pushing like crazy and being totally pummeled it's nice to do a bit of defending on it. My kdr is crap while attacking, defending always evens it out, and I think that's probably the case for others.

I'm gonna to have to buy freight a few times, you mentioned it was more of 6v6 but it seemed to be a good map even for some ridiculous 32v32 server, so I'll see if it's any good for us.

Also I'd like try cp_gorge, seems like it'd be a very different game to cp5_gorge. Upward however, is an alright map, but I just get some insane lag on it, same for frontier, and I have no idea why

Gravelpit should switch sides.

Yeah the dustbowl suggestion needs some discussion, ultimately i dont think it will change in duration; also i too enjoy both attacking and defending on it; cp_gorge is the same style of attack and defend.

Freight is a fun map, i dont think i have tried it on a 24 person server, but other pubbies do do it, so thats cool! Only issue atm is, the current freight map in the spapoints menu is the old one.

Thanks for the ESSAY Balls ^^
Hopefully I can make a start on some of this tonight.

It's the second stage on dustbowl that can be infuriating the others aren't as hard to break out of, but if the teams aren't fair it's just impossible,

I'd really like to see something like autoscramble, so the servers are more playable when no admins are on.

Hello All,

Right I've done my home work, been on other servers and spent some time just thinking about major improvements to the TF2 servers and have produced the following report which is designed to improve and optimise the TF2 servers in order to stimulate and preserve our current player base and visitors.

I'm going to keep this very objective and try not to ramble on too much about the reasons behind these suggestions.

1. Map Rotation.

cp_badlands
cp5_gorge
pl_goldrush
koth_lakeside_final
pl_dustbowl
cp_steel
cp_granary
pl_badwater
plr_nightfall_final
cp_fastlane
pl_frontier_final
cp_gravelpit
cp_coldfront
cp_granary
plr_hightower

This is my new layout for the rotation, which doesn't involve removing the less popular maps, but instead balances out the layout out them so they are spread out between popular maps. This is designed to encourage people to "stick out" the less popular maps, as they know a "good one" is coming up next and help stablise drops in players (as two "bad" maps in a row can be potentially fatal). I have also suggested we re-insert hightower into the mix as there is no longer a reason to exclude this if nightfall is still in rotation. However, can we please double check it has the same time limitations as the other PLR maps, it shouldn't go on any longer than 2 rounds (or 10-15mins max). Thank you.

2. Specific Map Optimisations

Can we make cp_Gravelpit last only 2 rounds. So each team has a chance to attack and defend and that is it. Make it short and sweet to avoid a grind, as I have witnessed this map going on for too long can reduce player numbers.

This idea has been kicked about by some admins (and I have seen it work on some other servers), which is to make cp_dustbowl only last for 1 round (3 stages) and that is it. So one team attacks and defends only. This map often drags out for far too long, it could be suggestible to make it a bit more snappy.

- If it is a steam roll and the map is going to quickly, admins need to insure that they scramble promptly and or, see the return of an auto scramble if the first map is capped in X amount of time.

EDIT: This suggestion might need some more feedback or disscussion, as you come to issues with the attackers not getting to the 2nd cp of the first stage, or past the 1st cp on the 2nd stage.. so what happens then? does the map just end? hmmmmm thoughts?

For the sake of discussion I've stripped down the post and moved the topic back.

Are there no tf2 auto-scramble settings available in the internet that we could copy/download?

As a side note, I haven't been an active player for long so pretty much everything is alright with me, but Ball's post does make a lot of sense, thanks for taking the time to write it.