I too think Germany should do more to support the rebels.

Maybe this all will lead to all dictatorships and other opressing regimes getting swept away by the rebelling masses one by one, ending with a massive revolution in China after half of the internet was zensored to hide the revolutions in other countries.

I think Howard's packaged this pretty well actually

Don't suppose anyone wants to drag this back on topic? It was getting interesting.

Here here.

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Something tells me British Petroleum won't be happy with this whole affair. Their exclusive Gaddafi deals have gone down the shitter it seems.

America had troops in Afghanistan before 9-11 to combat the Taliban. 9-11 just basically gave us a reason to deploy a full out invasion on the country.

Al Qaeda were located in Iraq too. The weapons of mass destruction was just an excuse for us to fully invade them as well. Why not smother the embers before they become a full burning flame?

And I don't seem to recall saying that people who didn't go against Gaddafi were crazy...I just merely stated that IN MY OPINION it was inhumane to kill your own citizens.

I believe your spelling errors make your point obsolete...

Have a nice day!

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Minor spelling mistakes on the internet appear to make arguments null and void now.

Why's that?

Arrogant bloody Victorians.

With the age of spellchecking available , It would seem a fair point that if you make a comment , it should be spelt correctly. If its a few mistakes though it can be overlooked

But you can't really blame a person who's native tongue is not English to have spelling and grammatical errors.

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What's a nubian?

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Al Qaeda were operating in Malaysia, Sudan, Qatar, Lebanon, Syria, Oman, Pakistan, India and of course Saudi Arabia. Not to mention cells in operation in the UK, Denmark, the USA. Now explain why these countries haven't been invaded? Al Qaeda is a modern day bogey man allowing the US to press its agenda on other countries. The hilariously missing "weapons of mass destruction" are the bogey man's magic abilities its a myth and you've been sold lies on lies to cover lies.

As for smothering embers, we lit the fire, it was stupid to expect anything other than this and the idea that you can kill an idea with violence is the single most stupid fallacy on the face of the planet, the more violence you plow into its destruction the stronger it becomes.

I believe your naive arrogance makes your points obsolete.

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The problem with Libya is who will govern when and if Khadaffi is gone? The state Libya is a conglomeration of loads of tribes and what do you think those tribes will do when mister dictator is gone? It is seemingly impossible for a lot of the African states to leave behind their tribe allegiances and form an actual nation state. Gellner has some interesting views (perhaps slightly outdated) on why, written in the book Nations and Nationalism. Pretty much the reason why Khadaffi still has supporters is because they are of his tribe, and who do you think will get WTFPWND when he is gone? I wouldn't want to be part of his tribe when someone else takes over.

I am personally forseeing a UN peacekeeping mission in the future, if Khadaffi is gone. By putting the no-flight zone into effect you have basically commited yourself to hand holding the country to prevent future destabilization.

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Arrogance??? Nah. I personally don't agree with many of the things America has done. I wish America would keep its nose out of others peoples business. And I never denied the fact that America and other countries helped "fuel the fire." As a matter of fact, I know we did. There's no denying that.

And I did say earlier that the UN doesn't want to involve itself in every single conflict or situation that happens around the world. Some things its just best to stay out of. That's fine by me.

I do so enjoy the argument, but unfortunately we've gone off topic into a more general category. It was fun but I'll cease to post in this topic to keep it from derailing again

Crab, out!

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Owk, let's start.

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The UN has more on his plate that he can handle, almost every UN country has a huge ass debt they need to clear. Funny how the liberators spend millions of euros(dollars), maybe even billions, but somehow they are able to do so? Where does this money come from? They just magically conjure it up? Nope, they don't. No one in their right minds would spend so much money and no one would loan money to such people if there isn't profit involved.

Last time I checked a no-fly zone isn't bombing the shit out of military installations. Or even attacking ground units. But somehow in this case, when high quality oil is involved it SURE DAMN IS THE CASE.

Now they want khaddafi gone? What the hell? That wasn't the UN mandate, none of what the UN is doing now apart from stopping the Libyan air force is in my eyes ligitimate. Even then, they have no reason to be there, its the Arabic liga's job to do so. Seriously, this just proves my point on how dumb and selfish the arabic people are. They still live in their 2000 year old custom of MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME.

And no crabby boy, no american soldiers were in afghanistan before 9-11.... please get your facts straight man.

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I think something had to happen after 9-11, Americans aren't like the Brits, if you spit on their shoe they'll bomb the shit out of your country. One of the reasons I think Britain got dragged in on their war, is because the Americans are far less concerned about hearts and minds, and god knows what would have happened if Tony Blair had not gone over to the states when the towers fell, the war would have been a lot more bloody. Saddame had to go anyway, he was a mad murderous tyrant, he even gave a ethnic cleansing a go, they should have fucked him out after the whole Kuwait thing.

I don't understand why people are so ashamed about using oil as a reason, not on it's own of course, but another reason to take action. It's basically the bloodline of the world, and considering the west buys most of it's oil in the east, you could see why it would want to protect it, Saddame set fire to the oil wells in Kuwait, and that was a disaster. Though I still think the Iraq war was questionable, I just didn't see the Americans sitting there feeling sorry for themselves, but yeah like someone else said, one less dictator in the world.

Idk who you really are....but I love you for that

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Saddam hadn't done anything too outrages the last 10 years of his life, he just got fucked over by the west. The whole mustard gass incident took place a long while back before the west attacked him, using that arguement is a tad bit stupid IMO. Yes he was a dictator, yes he was evil as fuck, but look at iraq now... it's a goddamn anarchy man....


And I know a few arabs telling me that iraq was far better when saddam was in charge, at least then you had some feeling of safety and not the paranoia when the next suicide bombing or car bombing would take place(this is the highest priority for some). And you have to know that the values of other countries differ then from yours. Saddam had to use brute force to keep all those people in line. Look at them now? Killing each other all the time, because they are being cuddled by the new government who is ofc corrupt AS FUCK!!!!!!

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slightly off topic, but what happened with the whole north korean / south korean shit that kicked off a couple of months ago?

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That's true, but "I've been a good boy for the last 10 years" wouldn't stand up in court, and people claim he was supporting terrorism or Al Queda, including the 911 attacks, but I don't know how much truth there is and evidents to support that. Not read up about Mexico, but the mexican government were in cahoots with the drug cartels, and were inmmensely currupt, when that government was kicked out, they didn't deal with the cartels, so now people get murdered throughout the day, because the gorvernment have nothing on them anymore. So well, are leaders better currupt? I think we probably fucked up afghanistan a long time ago, after WW2? and the west have been sticking its nose in since, I doubt we'll see any peace there for a long time. I don't personally support the war, but I can see why the Americans went into it, the WOMD stuff was bullshit though obviously.

Even us Americans coulda told you there were no WOMDs...not sure what they were thinking there

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They used the arguements he had done a decade ago... isn't that odd? If it was that big a deal for them, they should've killed his arse then and there, not 10 years later. Thats what I ment.

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Defence chiefs weren't happy with the conclusion of round 1 of the Gulf War, the resurgence of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda somehow justified a re-invasion. Bush-Blair "special relationship" brownnosing was well in it's prime and we were dragged into the fray.

I thought this thread was about Libya?

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It is, as with supporting the rebells in Lybia, Al Queda gets support too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... links.html

Blergh, I just wish humans were eradicated already. Libya crisis, please start WWIII

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Yesssssss.....allow my crabby minions to take over! We will create a new world!

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An itchy world!

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Not for me I've got a standing order for Elimite.

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Yeah, better be supporting stability. Qhadaffi is a sane, stable character. Let's all support him.