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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 13:31 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8612825.stm

Well, this doesn't concern most of you but hell, so many famous Polish figures died in that crash, it's mind boggling. Our president was an asshole but I don't think anybody wished him death. And then there were many members of parliament from various parties with him and generals and others.
Boy, oh, boy this is an absolute shock and disaster especially from a political standpoint even though I feel for the families of the deceased.

And they were going to replace that plane soon too... Hmmm... :-\

Here's Spike's list in English, for ones that are curious about the political functions of the people involved:
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1.Lech Kaczyński – President
2.Maria Kaczyńska – First Lady
3.Ryszard Kaczorowski – Last Polish President in exile
4.Joanna Agacka-Indecka - President of the Bar Council
5.Ewa BÄ…kowska
6.Gen. Andrzej Błasik - Air Force Commander in Chief
7.Krystyna Bochenek – Senate Deputy Speaker
8.Anna Maria Borowska – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
9.Bartosz Borowski – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
10.Gen. Tadeusz Buk - Commander of Land Forces
11.Miron Chodakowski – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
12.Czesław Cywiński - Chairman of World Union of AK Soldiers (Polish anticommunist army during WWII)
13.Leszek Deptuła - Member of Parliament
14.Zbigniew Dębski - Member of Virtuti Militari Commission
15.Grzegorz Dolniak – Member of Parliament
16.Katarzyna Doraczyńska - Presidential Office
17.Edward Duchnowski – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
18.Aleksander Fedorowicz - Translator
19.Janina Fetlińska - Senator
20.Jarosław Florczak – Government Protection Bureau

21.Artur Francuz – Government Protection Bureau
22.Gen. Franciszek Gągor – Chief of Staff of the Polish Army
23.Grażyna Gęsicka – Member of Parliament
24.Gen. Kazimierz Gilarski - Commander of Garrison Warsaw
25.Przemysław Gosiewski – Member of Parliament
26.Bronisław Gostomski – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
27.Mariusz Handzlik – Secretary of State at the President's Chancellery
28.rev. Roman Indrzejczyk - Presidential Chaplain
29.Paweł Janeczek – Government Protection Bureau
30.Dariusz Jankowski

31.Izabela Jaruga Nowacka – Member of Parliament
32.rev. Józef Joniec - Chairman of Parafiada Association
33.Sebastian Karpiniuk – Member of Parliament
34.Vice Admiral Andrzej Karweta - Navy Commander in Chief
35.Mariusz Kazana - Chief of Diplomatic Protocol
36.Janusz Kochanowski – Ombudsman
37.Gen. Stanisław Komornicki - Chancellor of Virtuti Militari Order (highest Polish military decoration)
38.Stanisław Jerzy Komorowski - Deputy Minister of Defense
39.Paweł Krajewski
40.Andrzej Kremer - Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs
41.Zdzisław Król – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
42.Janusz Krupski - Chairman of Offices for Combatants and the Repressioned
43.Janusz Kurtyka – Head of National Institute of Remembrance
44.Andrzej Kwaśnik – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
45.Gen. Bronisław Kwiatkowski - Commander Operations
46.Wojciech Lubiński - Presidential Doctor
47.Tadeusz Lutoborski – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
48.Barbara Mamińska - Presidential Office
49.Zenona Mamontowicz-Łojek – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families

50.Stefan Melak – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
51.Tomasz Merta - Deputy Minister of Culture
52.Stanisław Mikke – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
53.Aleksandra Natalli-Świat – Member of Parliament
54.Janina Natusiewicz-Mirer
55.Piotr Nosek – Government Protection Bureau
56.Piotr Nurowski – Head of the Polish Olympic Committee
57.Bronisława Orawiec Loeffler – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
58.Jan Osiński – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
59.Adam Pilch – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families

60.Katarzyna Piskorska – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
61.Maciej Płażyński – Member of Parliament
62.Tadeusz Płoski – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
63.Gen. Wojciech Potasiński - Commander of Special Forces
64.Andrzej Przewoźnik - Secretary-General of the Council for the Protection of Memory of Struggle and Martyrdom
65.Krzysztof Putra – Deputy Speaker of the Parliament
66.rev. Ryszard Rumianek - Rector of the Kardynał Stefan Wyszyński University
67.Arkadiusz Rybicki – Member of Parliament
68.Andrzej Sariusz-Skąpski – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
69.Wojciech Seweryn – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families

70.Sławomir Skrzypek – Head of the National Bank of Poland
71.Leszek Solski – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
72.Władysław Stasiak – Head of the President's Chancellery
73.Jacek Surówka – Government Protection Bureau
74.Aleksander Szczygło – Head of the National Security Bureau
75.Jerzy Szmajdziński – Sejm deputy Speaker
76.Jolanta Szymanek-Deresz – Member of Parliament
77.Izabela Tomaszewska - Presidential Office
78.Marek Uleryk – Government Protection Bureau
79.Anna Walentynowicz - Initiator of strike in Gdansk Shipyard

80.Teresa Walewska-Przyjałkowska – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
81.Zbigniew Wassermann – Member of Parliament
82.Wiesław Woda – Member of Parliament
83.Edward Wojtas – Member of Parliament
84.Paweł Wypych – Secretary of State at the President's Chancellery
85.Stanisław Zając – Member of Parliament
86.Janusz Zakrzeński
87.Gabriela Zych – Member of the Committee of Katyń Families
88.Dariusz Michałowski – Government Protection Bureau

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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 13:46 
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Mental, huge blow to most Polish I assume.

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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 13:59 
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Yeah, it's also a HUUGE problem for the Polish army since while the commander of the armed forces wasn't on board ALL the commanders of the subdivisions like the navy, the air force etc. WERE. 0_o
We'll be running out of generals, cynically speaking.

And you know, for me it isn't about the President, especially since his role is quite minor in Poland apart from representing the country abroad and I literally hated him, but about the other political figures, many of which I really respected.

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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 14:06 
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Forever Cursed Katyn.
Dozens of high ranked politicians, priests, generals, National Bank President, cant even think about impact this will have on our contry :/
That's 67th Tu-154 plane crash in its history, which was even scrapped by russian airlines couple of years ago :| Last year before recent service of the plane all the plane pilots refused to continue flying it calling it "flying coffin", My God they were right...


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 14:12 
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Could someone hook me up with some polish news sites? I'd like to see how covered this is. I tried googling but only ended up with english ones.

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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 14:21 
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www.gazeta.pl . www.wp.pl . www.onet.pl


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 15:02 
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WOW :shock:


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 15:05 
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wow. this is gonna have pretty serious consequences, for the whole of Europe.

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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 15:09 
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Oh btw, it seems your in need of a president. Want to have ours?


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 15:12 
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Lim for pres of Poland!

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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 15:33 
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That sucks :(

Soooo... I hear you have a lot of interesting openings. To whom do I address my resumé ?


EDIT: Thanks. I was translating my own list to English, but dont need to anymore :)

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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 15:34 
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[SpA]SaintK wrote:
Oh btw, it seems your in need of a president. Want to have ours?
Nah, in case of death we will have a by-election and we have our share of assholes to fill the spot too. Ironically the presidential elections were supposed to take place this Fall anyway...

P.S. Whose idea was it exactly to put like ALL the Joint Chiefs of Staff (generals) together on one plane? We don't need another country to attack us! They just have to send us some Tupolevs. -.-

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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 16:58 
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This is terrible shit yeah. Is this really an accident? :shock: Why would you put all those ppl on such a plane ?

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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 17:14 
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[SpA]Bucky wrote:
This is terrible shit yeah. Is this really an accident? :shock: Why would you put all those ppl on such a plane ?
Cause it was our best (!!!) government plane :roll: 1986 Tu-154... That type had already crashed at least 66 times since launched in 1972 :shock: I guess someone forced pilots to land in that weather, control tower clearly told them NOT to land in Smolensk and go to Minsk or Moscow. Instead they tried 2-4 ( different sources ) times and it ended tragically...


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 17:45 
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What a horrific tragedy.


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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 18:49 
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[SpA]Bucky wrote:
This is terrible shit yeah. Is this really an accident? :shock: Why would you put all those ppl on such a plane ?
Well, don't ask me why they'd put them on SUCH a plane, but clearly they needed to be there for the memorial service and such. They could have flown in different planes, I guess.

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PostPosted: 10 Apr 2010, 21:06 
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That's simply a real tragedy. :|

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PostPosted: 11 Apr 2010, 10:52 
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Well, a county's Air Force One was supposed to be the safest thing in the air, right? :P

It's indeed a tragedy.

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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 10:09 
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Im Polish, and the thing is, many of us cry, many not BUT! who the heck puts 6 generals to 1 air-plain with a presidend for God sake...
[SpA]sebas wrote:
Well, a county's Air Force One was supposed to be the safest thing in the air, right? :P

It's indeed a tragedy.
USA has a Air Force One, we had just a old polish air-plane Tu-154. Just like R.I.P. Kaczyński said before he died: we are willing to buy a new president air-plane (oh irony). We are not a poor country, we are just abit out-dated, but everything will change now. Just like in programming, "people that doesnt do backups, will start to do them"
[SpA]Lim-Dul wrote:
Yeah, it's also a HUUGE problem for the Polish army since while the commander of the armed forces wasn't on board ALL the commanders of the subdivisions like the navy, the air force etc. WERE. 0_o
We'll be running out of generals, cynically speaking.
no we wont. Sub-generals are now generals (its automatic) so our army is safe. The problem is: new election. The president isn't a powerfull person in the country, hes only a visit card, premier (? dobrze napisalem) and the gooverment holds the keys to our country.


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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 17:41 
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Just like in programming; they have backups. Phew.

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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 19:18 
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And the president had a clone of himself since he had an identical twin brother. :-P
But you know, the twin brother was actually more active and important than Lech - he used to be our prime minister. He is just as big an asshole if not bigger though.

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PostPosted: 13 Apr 2010, 14:27 
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If the President is just a token position, with no real power, I'll do it.

I'll be Poland's new President.

And my first order of business would be.... INVADE GERMANY!!! :evil:


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2010, 14:21 
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Not to be an arse or anything, but seeing as Poland is one of the last theocracys in Europe this might just be a nice spot for a paradigm shift? Get rid of all that catholic moral law bullshit?


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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2010, 14:40 
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You can't do that in a country where the vast majority of people are religious and hold the church to great respect. I would know, around here God is even an issue in the presidential elections propaganda.

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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2010, 19:25 
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Bah, then perhaps most of the people in poland should have been on that plane. :evil:


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PostPosted: 16 Apr 2010, 17:14 
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[SpA]SaintK wrote:
Oh btw, it seems your in need of a president. Want to have ours?
Even though we DONT have an president we could you hook up with one?

Anway it must suck to lose a president etc


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PostPosted: 17 Apr 2010, 13:43 
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[SpA]DrMcMoist wrote:
If the President is just a token position, with no real power, I'll do it.

I'll be Poland's new President.

And my first order of business would be.... INVADE GERMANY!!! :evil:
We don't have anything you want here... :18

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PostPosted: 17 Apr 2010, 15:18 
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[SpA]Blackhawk wrote:
[SpA]DrMcMoist wrote:
If the President is just a token position, with no real power, I'll do it.

I'll be Poland's new President.

And my first order of business would be.... INVADE GERMANY!!! :evil:
We don't have anything you want here... :18
Oh yes you do. :9


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PostPosted: 17 Apr 2010, 17:44 
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McMoist is from scotland lads, ladies look like this over there:
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*edit*

I didn't know you were talking about germany, I thought we were still on about poland. No , germany idd doesn't have anything anyone would want :P

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