lol valve just killed CS:S with the new update imo.

fucking idiots. ever since L4D valve have been acting weird.

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Explain...

I've tried CSS after maaaany years and this game is unplayable for one reason - every server I've tried ( and I've tried like 20 ) was the same - de_ maps terrorist camping at spawn, counter-terrorists rushing them after 30 seconds, cs_ maps situation is the same but CT's are camping at spawn I've seen many whines about killing this game, what are the dramatic changes to the gameplay ?

This is the thing, they have added all this bullshit that CS in general does not need. Plus im worried that they might have messed with the game settings and just not mentioned it in order to allow the game to be accepted into the mac market, im pretty sure all this new gui and other pointless shit that works amazing in tf2 but just is pointless in CS; is part of the ploy to get it into the mac games market. So basically its been dumbed down for the mac gamers (oxymoron?) sort of like how alot of pc titles are being dumbed down as a result of being a console port.

Thats just my opinion, i only played for an hour or two after the update and maybe im just opposed to pointless change but hey ill try it one more time before i shelve that game once and for all. what do u guys think x

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I as a very casual CSS player am thankful for the free update.

Unfortunatly they made my uncut CSS into a cut game. Now after every "death" the avatars are laying slowly down with their hands above their head. Its so ridiculous that I cant stand to play this game for more than two minutes.

Maybe its a savior for competetive gaming or it breaks it. I dont know and honestly I dont care.

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i saw that avatar anim happening at work, such bs.

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Well if youre talking about domination system, killcam, achievements I dont think that changes anything. Of course people will whine, cause they are used to dust2 every day since the beggining of civilization and every minor change is like an insult to them. But nothing can really save counter-strike nowadays - I dont see anyone new dropping into this game, its a very simple game by todays standard, and people who already played 323219 rounds of dust2 will rape them with their camping. Having all awesome stuff around ( bf2, bc2, mw2, tf2, even dod:source feels like an uber complex game compared to this ) its impossible to get into cs:s now, mainly because all players are cunts and this isnt a team objective based game - its just a deathmatch where one side camps.

Well, css was updated with the latest source engine which tf2 has now. It was a port from the old one. As far as i'm concerned, counter-strike brand is DEAD ! FREAKING DEAD! maybe css keeps it alive a little bit. But people don't understand that, and they keep playing cs 1.6 like cs is their game of the year EVERY SINGLE YEAR. After ~10 years or maybe more of Counter Strike, they need to "MOVE ON".

Well i used to play CS shit loads when i was in uni a few years ago, then got out of it when new games were released that aged CS:S significantly. But recently i started playing it again for nostalgia, and it was really fun once i found a good server with decent players (no campers + team spirit) and AWP blocked (that gun represents some of the worst balancing in gaming history) i really enjoyed it, it was simple and satisfying, so i was a bit annoyed to see the game, which at its core is very good, even if it is old now and been corrupted by the fucktards who make up a majority of the CS public.
But i was enjoying it because i was playing with decent people (vendetta pointed me towards a good server - very lovely of her )

TBH i fancied a moan at something, and valve (who i want to still hold dear have been slipping in my opinion with their pointless tf2 updates, mac gaming, and wasting time in general) are right in the firing line, and can u blame me? they have been one of the spearhead pc devs and have made some incredible titles and IPs so damn right it should be assumed they should be creating output regularly and of a high quality. Not, 8 x 800 poly hat attachments... Where the fuck is halflife 3 or even ep3? CS3? or anything 3?
Yeah it does, it makes the game go from looking just dated to fucking ugly and cluttered.

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Exactly my reasons for not playing CSS. CS is what got me into PC gaming and I am itching to have another go at it but I'm too afraid of hating it for exactly those reasons. And it is a shame because it can be a fun game as Balls said if you are playing with decent players.

Maybe if we can get enough of us we could sort out a LAN game!

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Most of the changes aren't that bad, theres no difference in gameplay anyway, and how is CSS dead when CS and CSS both have more players than L4D their second biggest franchaise....

it distracts my gameplay, i keep having to look at the ugly as new gui elements. All the new spam box items are rubbish, why the fuck would they try to TF2ise the game. oh wait i know, to shift units on the mac, the shit gamers platform.

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Agree with the AWP thingie. BUT awp problem is not the weapon, it's the people who use it. They don't know what is a sniper and what it's for. The main objective as a sniper is to hide and nuke them from distance, not camping over a crate or smth and wait till' someone comes and kill him zoomless.

They missed the point of the weapon, and being a sniper in such short maps like css and cs 1.6 have, well, yeah, it should be either banner by servers or removed from the game.

A sniper is a tactical unit in wars, and, yeah, it could be in counter terrorist's plans BUT only if you have that kind of space where you can put the snipers (on a roof or smth like that, not in the field).

hehe you dont have to tell me, i wrote the SpA sniper guide

its also that the weapon doesn't really have any balancing, thats why u always see awp fags switching to knife after a shot as its like instant reload and basically the weapon has no penalty to use it, thus its unbalanced.

anyway, after all this shit, im just going to shelve the game again like i did to it when tf2 came out

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It's the 3rd most expensive weapon in the game, which means you have to be effective with it in order to be able to use it all the time. Get killed twice in a row and all your money is gone.
And you have to hit with the first shot at close range pretty much or you're dead meat (of course you get more chances from farther away, but that would be like saying AK47/M4 is unbalanced because it rapes people up close).
Another minor disadvantage is that you're slow while holding it, but since your equipment magically disappears while you're holding your knife/pistol...

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interesting point, but its complete bollox, and the money thing doesn't matter at all; it is not an effective means of balance.

there is no point defending it, it doesnt take skill, it doesnt take effort, its a lame ass gun for lame ass people. (its only fun in l4d2 because zombies cant moan about it ^^)

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I guess you havent seen what really good snipers can do with awp in counter-strike And I mean good competitive player, not ffa twats. This weapon really is magic in proper hands in 5vs5 match, and both old cs and cs:s are really made for competitive gaming, cause compared to any other online fps that came after it you cant do anything alone - most maps containt few choke points, which you cant avoid. So if your team is full of cunts ( which usually is the case ) you can a) die after 20s b) camp for 3 minutes. Also I've noticed, that the more players are in each team the worse this game gets. I've even found 64 players OFFICE EXTREME!!!!! server Imagine 64 HE grenades flying around office, dont know who came with this idea, but server was full all the time

People who can't aim for shit.

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I'm not denying that it is the best weapon in the game. But it doesn't make much sense whining about it, because there simply HAS to be a best weapon. If awp wasn't in the game or heavily nerfed, people would instead cry about the 2nd best weapon. Just learn to live with it or play a different game.

And since people are bothering with M4/AK47, it can't be THAT dominating (though it's very close).

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scout is way cooler than awp, scout no scope headshots on a public make you look pr0

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TL;DR: FUUUU-RAAAAGE you 16k$ public whore


i lol'd - oh and l2play kthx~

Ah the good times of css

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No ill just join a server where the weapon has been bestowed some form of balancing, i.e. removed completely or limited to one per team.

Listen to moose, there is nothing skilled or useful about the awp, its there only for people who are useless and crap at the game. end.

anyway, the thread isnt about the awp, its about valve fucking with their already released products 10 years later because they have nothing better to do..

oh wait..

HL3...

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sorry grinch, forgot to respond to your post, i say forgot, but i dont mean it. awp whore i guess, over compensating for something are we?

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If you just join a server where the awp has been removed, that will just cripple your gameplay and make you a worse player (you'll get used to not having to fear certain parts of maps as much anymore). I suppose it's okay if you just try to have fun the usual way and I completely understand why people hate playing against awp users.
For me the fun in a game lies in becoming good in it (if it's worth becoming good in it), even if (or precisely because) it means having to learn to deal with certain "cheap" tactics.

I'm not saying you have to agree with me - just that you should try to understand a different pov as well.
lol wut?

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lol nevermind, i just prefer the css games to have more skill and tactical gameplay, not just the same 5 guys each round looking down the same corridor like those idiot t's on office. you know you can still be fearful of those same parts of the map, but you are safe in the knowledge that some shit nub awp wont shoot the air 1m next to your little toe and blow ur body in half; jeez there are still scouts and decent riflemen out there to be afraid of, im sure moose is one of those scout nutbags u see from time to time, that weapon requires real skill.

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Who cares if something takes skill if it doesn't kill people?

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Scout is the besrtttt, I used to choose it over the awp just to get the satisfaction of owning them (against crappy public players, but still ).

Haven't played it in ages though, tried a scrim once a few months back after not playing for like a year and sucked

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Well your theory could be apllied to all online fps games, where sniper rifle kills in one shot. And I remember how you love to lie in a bush on derail with your white ghillie suit