<- (spy n00b ) Something i've been wondering about, while you're fully cloaked and switch disguise, is the smoke puff effect completely invisible too or do you flicker a bit?

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What, me worry?

they will see the smoke...I guess....:S but I'm not 100% sure.
But why would you do that?

If you cloak and then disguise --> no smoke
If you disguise and then press cloak --> enemy see smoke
Your teammates see your smoke anyway.


Some other tips in case you don't know them (and for everyone that don't know):
- When you are disguised your health is around 80%. So it's pretty easy to spot spies if you see them. The health doesn't change until an enemy medic heals you.
- Medic disguise doesn't have Ubercharge meter.
- Don't run disguised among the enemies for a long time. The ideal is cloak behind them, find your victim(s), kill or miss, cloak, disguise, run away and come back again.
- You can use friendly disguised when you get out of spawn to save cloak and not to make your presence perceptible.
- When there is an intense fight a spy can do miracles as enemies don't watch their backs
- If an engi is "sandwiched" by his sg+dispenser you can cloak, jump on the disp, stab the engi and sap his sg. It isn't an easy move but it's very satisfying when you do it
- Same scenario as before. You can go behind the dispenser so the sg don't see you, duck, loose you disguise, stand up until the sg fires its rockets, say bb to poor engi (killed by his own sg)

2 spy videos I made. vid1 vid2

Spy class need a lot of tweaking... Facestabs, unregister backstabs etc. It's not fun playing the spy anymore (when play with ppl that know the game and not noobs)

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Noxious7 lol Awesome vids

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Good Answer to a good question , ta

Thanks for the answer, spymaster noxious sir

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good to know these infos noxi . And thats so true...the spies are pretty underpowered, compared to other classes.
Since there is no FF every one(especially the pyros :S) shoots on everything that either comes from the wrong direction or is just a few meters away -.-...

Some disguises aren't even usefull...:

Scout is the most easiest disguise to detect(lack of speed).
Medic disguise is just as usefull as a Scout disguise.(he is holding the s-gun)
Spy disguise is just as a scout and medic disguise.(1.he is not disguised, like all spies are 2.he is holding is cold 3. every one shoots on spies[especially the noobs that don't know that you can see by his cloth-color if it is a foe or a friend...])
Soldier and Heavy work but using one of these 2 disguises means that ur moving speed is lower and you won't be able to catch up with a medic or any other class, that is moving)
Sniper is only usefull if you are on a camping-spot(no one will bother you, normally)
Engis are ok, but if I see a Engi moving around(behind) me and I am atm attacking...I know that it is a spy :S...
Pyros that are behind you or coming from enemy lines with full health are to 90% spies.
Demos work quite good....but hey....thats JUST 1 of 9 classes...c'mon wtf...

Backstabing a scout is almost impossible...
Pyros are moving like maniacs...
good Medics turn around all the time and they are faster then Spies...
Heavies are easy targets, from behind...
An Engi is always aware of spies and will shoot on you if you approach to him :S...if it is an Engi guarding something he will hunt you till he has no ammo x.x

and a lot of other things that make the spy underpowered IMO...

also, when spy runs into somebody or takes damage while disguised - you can see small blue or red flickering (depends on spy's team).

that's funny, because the medic disguise is so useless, i've been backstabbed twice recently, because i thought 'oh, there's a medic, no sane spy would go medic, so it's ok'

Problem is any sane person would shoot a medic, if they (the sane person) have less then 100% health and the medic stands there with a needle gun out. Either because they think its a spy, or try to attract the medics attention by shooting him..

Personally I've found the pyro and demoman to be the best choices, Pyro because nobody expects you to shoot when the enemy is far away. Demoman because well, he is the only real other option with acceptable speed.

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Its the old double bluff , age old trick...

It's so easy to press 4-4

/agree :>

but I prefer 4-3 :O It does need more skill, to press it :S. and the coolest thing about a spy is switching between gun,sapper and knife I like the sound and the animations

it looks like he is playin with himself O___o xD

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any problem with it?!Ô.o...UR NAME IS BAAAAALL!!!!!AS IF A ILLITERATE HAS TRIED TO WRITE BALL!!!! FFS!!! *jk*

not when i'm in the heat of battle, already have a medic on me, and there is a pyro around which i thought would do the spy checking


and btw, when i'm medic and a teammate shoots at me, i just leave him to die. same if he presses the medic button more than twice.

That's the (only?) situation that spies can be really effective.
If there is no fight around and the spy is seen then he's probably dead
And the worst is to be backstabbed when a pyro is around. I get really mad

Maybe he just wants to keep "+" sign fresh, especially when the calling person and medic are on big distance.

Damn, I always thought the spy would appear to be holding the gun corresponding to the gun the spy is holding at any time. So, a spy disguised as a medic holding the sapper would appear to be holding the healing gun. Guess I ran around with the colt up and ready many, many hours for nothing

yes but then it wouldn't really matter what he would be disguised as :p

Oh and I suppose you never will heal me then.. I always mash the medic button when I'm a scout, simply because I always get hyperactive when I play one. Same with Pyro, but then because I am usually getting shot at :p

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The engie disguise works best IMO, because engies are expected to be lurking in the rear or near sentries and the like.

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One question from me:
if you desguise like an enemy, cloak and then uncloak in front of a sentry, does it start to shoot you or not?

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but the engy behind it probably will :p

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exactly what i was thinkin

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I doubt it :> "backstabbing->sapping" wtfz0r!!!!!1111 the spy sucks tho....