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 Post subject: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 12:54 
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what you guys reckon? xD

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 13:17 
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Perhaps, but not with Auslogics Disk Defrag. :-P

Use JkDefrag if you want the best free defragmenter or e.g. PerfectDisk for a commercial one.

http://donnedwards.openaccess.co.za/200 ... t-all.html

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 13:32 
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/shrug

I don't care it does the job doesn't it? better than the crappy thing that comes with Windows Vista, which I left on for 12+ hours and still hadn't done jack all it seems.

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 14:08 
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Weell - it depends on what you mean by "getting the job done". Defragmenting files is the easy part - placing them correctly in different sectors on the disk and consolidating free space is the hard part and Auslogics Disk Defrag doesn't do that.

If you use a good file placement and free space consolidation algorithm you speed up your system CONSIDERABLY and prevent future fragmentation for some time - since you only need to defragment your files like once every month (and pretty quickly at that!) if you do it with proper software, I think the time investment in choosing the right is founded.

Personally I recommend JkDefrag (with JkDefragGui if someone doesn't like command line arguments) since it has been written by a guy who really, really understands what fragmentation is all about and offers many different file placement algorithms depending on what you are using your partition for. Not to mention the fact that it can work in safe mode where many system files are unlocked and free to be defragmented. Yes, it doesn't look like much but "it gets the job done" (properly).

http://www.kessels.com/Jkdefrag/
http://www.emro.nl/freeware/

P.S. Yes, the built-in defrag in Vista isn't very good. Up to WinXP it was based on the Diskeeper engine and that was better but also meant that people buying Diskeeper were in for a surprise where their new shiny commercial program wasn't doing any better than the default defrag utility. ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 14:15 
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lol

well I am running the one you recommended now so don't worry :) I just thought the picture was funny as hell

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 16:10 
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[SpA]Crovax20 wrote:
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what you guys reckon? xD
but you know you can partition drives, do you? :ugly:


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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 16:37 
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Maybe he doesn't believe in formatting Windows :D .
Haven't done a defrag for yearssss. And I bought about 4 HDD and nothing happened to them.
Defrag's performance improvement is a myth on the same level with registry cleaners imho :ugly: .

Oh, and I reckon the red squares are p0rn.
Should be.


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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 18:03 
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I hate partitioning drives :/

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 21:17 
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[SpA]Crovax20 wrote:
lol

well I am running the one you recommended now so don't worry :) I just thought the picture was funny as hell
Got a screenshot how your drive looks after defrag? Would be interesting to see. ^^

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 21:55 
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Defrags now since 5 hours for 200gb with -a 7. Shush...IWANTOPLAYAAAAAAAAAH!!111

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 22:10 
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Sorting files takes a loooooooooong time. No playing for you today!

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 22:31 
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I use Disk keeper for my defrags etc its very good at what it does, and quick

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 22:38 
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[SpA]Shizz wrote:
I use Disk keeper for my defrags etc its very good at what it does, and quick
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P.S. Yes, the built-in defrag in Vista isn't very good. Up to WinXP it was based on the Diskeeper engine and that was better but also meant that people buying Diskeeper were in for a surprise where their new shiny commercial program wasn't doing any better than the default defrag utility. ;-)
:-P

I was also using Diskeeper for several years but then moved on to better programs - Diskeeper has very poor file positioning algorithms.

http://donnedwards.openaccess.co.za/200 ... inary.html
http://donnedwards.openaccess.co.za/200 ... emier.html

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 22:46 
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I was also using Diskeeper for several years but then moved on to better programs - Diskeeper has very poor file positioning algorithms.

Does it? i wouldnt know i'm really not that anal about my PC

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 22:53 
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Yeah - neither am I. Basically I got angry at Diskeeper one day when its defrag messed up my MFT somehow (perhaps a Windows bug since Diskeeper uses the Windows Defrag API as far as I know - most programs do with just the algorithms being different) and started looking for alternatives. I then found the blog with the great Defrag Shootout and basically followed the advice there.

I'm currently using Perfect Disk and JkDefrag but truth be told I'm not happy with Perfect Disk either - I rarely use it and will probably just stick to JkDefrag in future, especially since it's free. Or I might switch to O&O Defrag... We'll see...

The thing is that your computer really DOES speed up if the files are properly sorted - fragmentation seems to be less of an issue for NTFS systems than actual file placement so that the heads don't jump back and forth too much...

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 22:56 
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Might have a little look at Jk laters on then :)

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 29 May 2009, 23:55 
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I once looked up defragmentation tools on Wikipedia and found JKDefrag listed as good free tool, what I started to use then.


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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 30 May 2009, 00:16 
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JKDefrag is going to take years to sort my 500gb especially since my computer sucks, but its the only free one (i've tried) that seems to put some effort into actually moving sectors data around.

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 05 Jul 2009, 00:31 
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I am using O&O Defrag 11. Is that even good? lol. My drive is 45% fragmented according to O&O. I will check those apps that lim mentioned.

Just noticed the last reply was in May. O well.


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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 16 Aug 2009, 20:08 
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used windows defrag but had it on for 6 hours and nothing so i downloaded jkdefrag...that was the right one?
EDIT:willit defrag the files at both my cores(where i save things)?

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 16 Aug 2009, 22:14 
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Yeah, jkdefrag is awesome. If you want a GUI that allows you to easily set up all the options without using the command line, then you should look for the imaginatively named JKDefragGUI:

http://www.emro.nl/freeware/

To do some necro-replying: I'm using O&O Defrag now instead of PerfectDisk since the latter seemed to have become worse and worse with each version, suffering from bloatware syndrome and having an auto-scheduling system that simply didn't work. The O&O Defrag/jkdefrag combo is nice but you will be just fine with jkdefrag alone, putting it into auto-sorting mode (by filename) for the initial defrag and then for normal defrag later on. Be warned though, the initial file-sorting will take many, many hours, so start it in the morning and go out somewhere. ;-)

The reward will be, that the system will be quicker and subsequent fragmentation will be reduced. Also, future defrag actions ill take only 10 minutes at most if you perform them once a week or once every two weeks.

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 Post subject: Re: Time for a defrag?
PostPosted: 16 Aug 2009, 22:18 
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[SpA]Lim-Dul wrote:
Yeah, jkdefrag is awesome. If you want a GUI that allows you to easily set up all the options without using the command line, then you should look for the imaginatively named JKDefragGUI:

http://www.emro.nl/freeware/

To do some necro-replying: I'm using O&O Defrag now instead of PerfectDisk since the latter seemed to have become worse and worse with each version, suffering from bloatware syndrome and having an auto-scheduling system that simply didn't work. The O&O Defrag/jkdefrag combo is nice but you will be just fine with jkdefrag alone, putting it into auto-sorting mode (by filename) for the initial defrag and then for normal defrag later on. Be warned though, the initial file-sorting will take many, many hours, so start it in the morning and go out somewhere. ;-)

The reward will be, that the system will be quicker and subsequent fragmentation will be reduced. Also, future defrag actions ill take only 10 minutes at most if you perform them once a week or once every two weeks.
i used the other jkdefrag link and it was set to fast optimize soooo should i use the other link btw it is finished :D
and on a side note the smileys doesnt work!!! only manually typing in the smiley number(which is tricky)
EDIT2:My cpu usage and memory usage is lower now :D

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