Major changes:
-Increased backstab check so that Spies can side-stab again
-When disguising, Spies now always start showing the primary weapon in their disguise, and can then switch it with the last-disguise key
-Fixed a bug that caused Natasha's slow on hit effect to be inverted from 75% to 25%

hurrah, watch out motherfuckers, cause here comes stabby!

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[SpA]Revenge "Wheres the element of surpise :/"

[SpA]Mint "IN.... MY....PANTS"

[SpA]Minimoose "Revenge is going to jump out of your pants?"

Really nice update ffs
Try to crouch jump:

Ah, that figures.... it broke the servers....

Hooray for Spy change, boo for no crouch-walking.

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slurper

Servers are updated.

Yay Natasha is fixed! But now all the scouts are gone...

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Ze Ãœbermensch

Now it will be hell to get on anything with the crouch jump bugged, but it will be fixed~

I constantly camp on top of engineers dispensers to fill cloak before i strike, or to wait for people to leave the area.

what F'ing good is it if i can't climb ontop of it ffs.. Atleast it's a bug and they're gonna fix it.

Rest of it is good, side stabs were definately missed. Now i dnt have to wait 3 mins for a sniper to get his back off a wall (i actually did in egypt.. wait 3 mins.. for a sniper.. .to make a mistake, he never looked round once (in that dark room behind stage 1 second point) haha...

Not sure i like the new "always first weapon" thing, hitting 2 after selecting 4 for demoman isn't challenging to ensure you have stickybomb out, defaulting to 1 sure great helps noobs or people that don't want to fiddle changing weapons, this will actually slow my disguising down personally, but i suppose i'm the wrong one since everyone else was QQing about the update.

It means now i have to use last disguise button and make a concious effort, where as before i could just hit 2, and as soon as my smoke image thing appeared when disguised, switch to knife or whatever.

Good good though.

Oh and can someone please tell me why we need a crouch timer? or a crouch fix at all? I don't understand it's never been an issue for me.

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Computer is fixed. That is all.

Assuming there was no Sentry in range, why didn't you just shoot him?

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slurper

For fun. Plus it's more noisy shooting the 2 (hopefully not 3) shots i'd need. I wanted mah back stab >:O

Anyway, after actually playing the update, crouching now feels less fluid, i feel a bit lame in one leg or something, it's not longer a "pleasure" to crouch.

Good luck jumping up these places in dustbowl, the first 1 is impossible as spy and the second is possible, but you clip constantly and it's really awkward getting.. over.. the planks....

Maybe it's just spy xD

Didn't have a problem jumping on dispensers though.

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Computer is fixed. That is all.

Ah... Natasha is back. Many thanks!

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SaintK: I'm completely lost

Think that was really a bug?

I fancy a wee bitch here. This Scout update really grinds my gears. Now as you mofo's probably know, I like to play as Pyro. Coming up against more than one Scout now is a massive pain in the rear now, especially if I'm own my lonesome.

Basically I can't get near the little shit's if they have that new shotgun. If I can't get near them, I can't burn them. I tried using my own shotgun, but two of them together was basically pointless. And if they're not blasting me from all angles at once, one of the dicks bonk's me with the baseball. Then I have to stand there and take it right up the shitter.

I honestly feel like they're overpowered now. Being able to push me back is one thing, but also being able to completely incapacitate me is just cold.

I wonder what was bad in crouch-jumping, since it was the same in all valve games since hl1 & counter-strike

prolly u could exploit with it, so they fuck up the system, same way they 'fixed' the bunnyhopping in CS, lets just introduce a slowdown

update sucks, cause i am so used to duck jumps , esspecially as engi ...
the natasha part is nice and also the sidestabs <3

exactly what i think <3

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I'm getting an impression, that all recent gameplay updates were just made like this "Hey lets make xxx and lets see how it works", then when they did XXX 25 new bugs appeared, so they went "Oh merde new bugs lets fix them", and then after a week or so "Oh piss our last xxx update was shit, lets revert it back", and after reverting back another 25 bugs surfaced - and all over again

unfortunately your right ...
played 20 minutes ago as soldier ... rocket jumps to areas which u are used to reach,( like on badwater the vault above the second cart point) are now impossible or anyway much harder to jump

So no one actually knows here, or seen anyone exploiting ducking? Must be serious.

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Computer is fixed. That is all.

I know the ducking exploit - when you duck your hitbox is shifted and people have been exploiting that with scripts that made one "twitch" in the air all the time and made it very hard to actually hit anyone...

I think the "fix" is kind of a dirty and crude though...

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War does not determine who is right - only who is left. - Bertrand Russell

never heard about the exploit ...
yea, a fix should fix the exploit, not the circumstance which is used by the exploit

Find get!

Only 1 video on youtube i can find, and i've never seen anyone doing it.

So we're all punished <3

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Computer is fixed. That is all.

That exploit is pretty common in matches... I'm pretty sure that there will be a fix for that just after the weekend, because if it will stay like this there won't be any soldiers anymore

Sollies can't do even their normal routine jumps during the matches anymore

Sooo... I guess our servers will run with tf_clamp_airducks 0? ^^
I haven't seen a single instance of this kind of cheat either - in FFA of course.

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War does not determine who is right - only who is left. - Bertrand Russell

No, the variable should stay at 1.
Even if you didn't see someone exploiting it, doesn't mean there was nobody. And also, the variable will be set to 1 in all leagues. Imho it's always better to have a similar config, so our soldiers don't get confused when they switch between public and competitive

Too true I didn't have any problems jumping/rj yesterday, don't know what the fuss was about.

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Any old Counter-Strike player does this subconsciencely.

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slurper

Moose the problem was, you could jump on dispenser, but you couldnt jump on your sentry

I didn't notice that either, oh well

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