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Author:  [SpA]ArchLurker_Chad [ 19 Oct 2010, 16:44 ]
Post subject:  Grammar help
So after numerous fruitless google searches I decided to check with the
English-speaking people of SpA (that should make all of you!).

Thresholding (spell-checkers seem to not like this one either), as in the segmentation of images.

...and could be threshed in the tracking process.
...and could be thresholded in the tracking process.

Which is the right one? Or are both wrong?
Need some proper UK English here so anyone reading the sentence
won't be thinking on combines or any other agricultural machinery :o

Grateful for help :)
Author:  annarack [ 19 Oct 2010, 16:55 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
...and could be a threshold in the tracking process.
Author:  [SpA]ArchLurker_Chad [ 19 Oct 2010, 17:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
Sorry, I should have been more clear when formulating the problem. My bad ><
I'm looking for a verb here, and threshed seems to fit the bill grammatically if it weren't for
all the google definitions relating to agriculture.

Thresholded seems to be the way to go since thresholding at least shows up in wikipedia,
but is this correct UK English?
Quote:
The halo effect was dampened by the average operation on the two sources
and could be thresholded in the tracking process, that further filtered the composite
image before continuing with the tracking algorithms.
In case you wonder why I'm so curious it's for my thesis which
we decided would be easier to write in English since all terms
and phrases are already in English, and only some exists in Swedish :o
Author:  annarack [ 19 Oct 2010, 17:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
What you have there is correct :5:
Author:  [SpA]ArchLurker_Chad [ 19 Oct 2010, 17:18 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
Cheers Anna! :)
Author:  ProtectMyBalls [ 19 Oct 2010, 17:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
depends on how many thresholds you have, either its region markers, implying one instance of multiple thresholds (a) or the starting point of a new state which would be singular (the).

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past tense.

The halo effect was dampened by the average operation on the two sources
and was set a threshold in the tracking process, that further filtered the composite
image before continuing with the tracking algorithms.

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You tenses seemed a bit strange to me, im guessing this is supposed to be in the past tense? or are hypothesising the results?
Author:  ProtectMyBalls [ 19 Oct 2010, 18:06 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
threshold doesn't have a verb as a syntax. Only adj or noun, as you can't threshold something, you can find the threshold (n), or define the threshold (adj).

I Thresholded,
She Thresholded,
He Thresholded,
We Thresholding,
We are going Thresholding.
It was thresholded.

It doesnt make sense.
Author:  [SpA]ArchLurker_Chad [ 19 Oct 2010, 18:10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
No hypothesising here :P
I am trying to describe the way we solved the problem, so that makes it past tense I suppose.
The thresholding operation here refers to the general process of thresholding images, independent
of implementation, so that would make it singular I believe.

Wouldn't that make thresholded the right word?
About the tenses. Might be me and my Swedish, but doesn't
the below sentences convey the same information?

The crash was averted thanks to the driver's quick reflexes.
The crash was able to be averted thanks to the driver's quick reflexes.
The crash could be averted thanks to the driver's quick reflexes.

Does "was" make it better?
Quote:
The halo effect was dampened by the average operation on the two sources
and was thresholded in the tracking process, that further filtered the composite
image before continuing with the tracking algorithms.
Thanks for the help thus far. Noticed that the sentence doesn't say what happened with the
thresholded halo which makes the sentence rather vague! Point is the halo artefacts is gone afterwards.
Perhaps "could be tresholded away" is a bit clearer. But it sounds so wrong :s

I'll stop rambling now. I'll just rewrite it properly and not by only changing one word.
Thresholded and tresholding seems the words to stick with, which was my initial question :)
Author:  annarack [ 19 Oct 2010, 18:14 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
Or just stick with what I put up earlier, that too will work
Author:  [SpA]ArchLurker_Chad [ 19 Oct 2010, 18:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
[SpA]ProtectMyBalls wrote:
threshold doesn't have a verb as a syntax. Only adj or noun, as you can't threshold something, you can find the threshold (n), or define the threshold (adj).

I Thresholded,
She Thresholded,
He Thresholded,
We Thresholding,
We are going Thresholding.
It was thresholded.

It doesnt make sense.
Blast! This is why this gave me so much trouble.
Basically what I want to convey is that "We tresholded the image". But as you said, that doesn't make much sense, as threshold isn't a verb, or at least not officially defined?
The closest verb would then be "threshed"? "We threshed the image". That makes sense grammatically. But doesn't that sound like we gave the image a good bashing to separate the grain from it? :/
[SpA]annarack wrote:
Or just stick with what I put up earlier, that too will work
So torn. I suppose I'm making a house of a stick here. The simplest solution is the best ^^
I'll write it off as the dictionaries are out of date and need to keep up with the evolving languages.
Author:  ProtectMyBalls [ 19 Oct 2010, 18:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
[SpA]ArchLurker_Chad wrote:
No hypothesising here :P
I am trying to describe the way we solved the problem, so that makes it past tense I suppose.
The thresholding operation here refers to the general process of thresholding images, independent
of implementation, so that would make it singular I believe.

Wouldn't that make thresholded the right word?

Thresholded and tresholding seems the words to stick with, which was my initial question :)
Not really, as those two words are not recognised syntaxes; its grammatically incorrect as your can't do a threshold. You can make a threshold, or you can describe a threshold, but you can't do one.

[SpA]ArchLurker_Chad wrote:

About the tenses. Might be me and my Swedish, but doesn't
the below sentences convey the same information?

The crash was averted thanks to the driver's quick reflexes.
The crash was able to be averted thanks to the driver's quick reflexes.
The crash could be averted, thanks to the driver's quick reflexes.
They are all past tense. The third sentence is probably not the best version; as it sounds almost like a possibility than what it actually means.


My fix;
Quote:
The halo effect was dampened by the average operation on the two sources
and was set a threshold in the tracking process, that further filtered the composite
image before continuing with the tracking algorithms.
[SpA]ArchLurker_Chad wrote:

Thanks for the help thus far. Noticed that the sentence doesn't say what happened with the
thresholded halo which makes the sentence rather vague! Point is the halo artefacts is gone afterwards.
Perhaps "could be tresholded away" is a bit clearer. But it sounds so wrong :s

I'll stop rambling now. I'll just rewrite it properly and not by only changing one word.

It okay mate, i really enjoy grammar but id probably be asking the same questions to you, or any other euro speaker as, the different sexes and use of tenses are a lot different, but i know who to talk to when i need my Swedish homework done ^^
Author:  ProtectMyBalls [ 19 Oct 2010, 18:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
chad once you have written your draft i can look at any sections of it that you are unsure about, if you want, just an offer :)
Author:  [SpA]ArchLurker_Chad [ 19 Oct 2010, 18:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
[SpA]ProtectMyBalls wrote:
chad once you have written your draft i can look at any sections of it that you are unsure about, if you want, just an offer :)
Thank you! That is a most appreciated offer Balls. I'll try to remember that when it's done :)
Author:  ProtectMyBalls [ 19 Oct 2010, 18:43 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
i did it for a lot of people in uni, and i do it alot for people at work too (obviously not the coders, the bastards!!!)
Author:  [SpA]Minimoose! [ 19 Oct 2010, 19:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
I hate languages, except for the language of science!
Author:  ProtectMyBalls [ 19 Oct 2010, 19:54 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
[SpA]Minimoose! wrote:
I hate languages, except for the language of science!
:5: i can dig it!
Author:  Lim-Dul [ 19 Oct 2010, 20:05 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
Man, discussion about language and grammar and I can't be arsed to contribute! ;-)
Author:  ProtectMyBalls [ 19 Oct 2010, 20:08 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
you are probably worn out from the nazi thread :D
Author:  Lim-Dul [ 19 Oct 2010, 20:37 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
Yeah - but grammar and Nazis go hand in hand as we all know!

Image
Author:  ProtectMyBalls [ 19 Oct 2010, 20:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
jawohl !
Author:  [SpA]ArchLurker_Chad [ 20 Oct 2010, 11:11 ]
Post subject:  Re: Grammar help
[SpA]Minimoose! wrote:
I hate languages, except for the language of science!
Don't hate languages, but don't love them either. Science will always have a special place in my heart though :)
Sadly the large majority of the science guys and the also the boss dudes/dudettes still prefer to read grammatically correct reports, which creates some extra work for the science guys not that interested in linguistics and grammar :(
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